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athena

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46. Consider the following scenario.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there are only 1000 people in the country.

450 are conservative, and 550 liberal.

Out of the 450 conservatives, 250 vote for Trump. The rest stay home because they can't be bothered to vote.

Out of the 550 liberals, 200 vote for Hillary. Another 100 vote for Jill Stein or stay home.

Who wins? Who would have won if the 100 disaffected liberals had held their noses and voted for the candidate representing their party? How can you argue that a liberal who is deliberately choosing not to vote, or voting for a write-in candidate, is not helping Trump win?

This really shouldn't need explanation, but I guess some of Bernie's supporters are so new to politics that they genuinely don't realize that not voting is equivalent to letting the opposition win.

Not voting is not an act of activism or revolution. It's the ultimate act of passiveness. When you don't vote, you make yourself indistinguishable from someone who doesn't follow politics or someone who is a right-winger but can't be bothered to vote.

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Thanks. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #1
Some unsolicited advice ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #2
Last post of yours I'll read. . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #3
You will be the one missing out. trof is one of the best DUers this board has known. blm Apr 2016 #10
What are you talking about? He said it was his first posts so how can he be one of the best? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #24
One of his first posts in the Primaries forum. He has posted elsewhere. Zynx Apr 2016 #28
Can you find any post where trof enthusiastically supported Bernie JimDandy Apr 2016 #84
A lot of oldtimers here at DU didn't/won't jump into divisive mode during blm Apr 2016 #90
Thank you. trof Apr 2016 #89
To answer your question, no. If the FBI report finds she violated her security oath leveymg Apr 2016 #103
INCOMING!!! JaneyVee Apr 2016 #4
Fail. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #5
Yep. A narrow opinion masquerading as "reality" again. (Yawn) JudyM Apr 2016 #99
Thank you for posting this. grossproffit Apr 2016 #6
BUT BUT HILLARY IS GOING TO BE INDICTED SO FITZMAS!!!!!!!!!!!! Gomez163 Apr 2016 #7
And frogmarched! Indydem Apr 2016 #11
Can I give you some advice? actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #8
The don't get that we can hear their tone. nt artislife Apr 2016 #29
How 'bout a cookie? procon Apr 2016 #30
Tempting. But I'll settle for her supporters... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #41
Didn't she work for Obama? Shouldn't you trash his foreign policy? brush Apr 2016 #55
Yes, Obama has several negative marks against him in regarding foreign policy... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #85
Hers? Wasn't Obama still the President? procon Apr 2016 #68
Trash thread FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #9
If I start to see Hillary supporters taking your tone, I will considered it Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #12
Yeah, I don't recall seeing much from you about Sanders TM99 Apr 2016 #13
Awwwww, another "Bernie, BUT" OP! How cute! And the format is different! Sorta! djean111 Apr 2016 #14
Everyone will "get over it" on their own timetable. Punkingal Apr 2016 #15
No. eom LiberalElite Apr 2016 #16
You don't understand what Bernies started demwing Apr 2016 #17
Yes she has the democratic nomination. But she won't have my vote. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #18
tRump thanks you for your support n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #22
No, the revolution does. Change will not come from above. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #31
Did George W. Bush winning start a revolution? athena Apr 2016 #39
I wouldn't call Obama right of the Clintons, and certainly not the Clintons of the 90s. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #44
You did not answer my question. athena Apr 2016 #47
Now you're changing the question. Show me how the DEMOCRATIC party moved to the MillennialDem Apr 2016 #49
You're the one evading the question. athena Apr 2016 #67
Bush didn't win. Fuck that. morningfog Apr 2016 #54
He became president, which wouldn't have happened if Naderites had voted for Gore. athena Apr 2016 #61
He didn't win. It was stolen. Full stop. morningfog Apr 2016 #62
You didn't respond to my point. Would Bush have won if Naderites had voted for Gore? athena Apr 2016 #65
Bush did not win. Your "point" begins with a fatal premise. morningfog Apr 2016 #69
Would Bush have been president if Naderites had voted for Gore? athena Apr 2016 #72
Lol. I don't know what bee is in your bonnet. morningfog Apr 2016 #75
Yes. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #96
There's no fucking revolution jcgoldie Apr 2016 #40
zzz MillennialDem Apr 2016 #45
And it is broken. avaistheone1 Apr 2016 #95
You don't get it. So the poster doesn't intend to LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #32
Consider the following scenario. athena Apr 2016 #46
I can vote for whomever I want. EDIT: And I'm well aware how math works. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #48
Did anyone tell you otherwise? athena Apr 2016 #53
Working on my German citizenship (grandfather was a holocaust survivor) and I'll be out of here too, MillennialDem Apr 2016 #56
Germany has its problems, too. athena Apr 2016 #59
No place on Earth is all hunky-dory. And I notice you didn't address my point: one vote will not MillennialDem Apr 2016 #60
One vote, multiplied many times, does make a difference. athena Apr 2016 #64
And apparently you don't understand game theory. Yes, one vote multiplied many times makes a MillennialDem Apr 2016 #66
I have a Ph.D. in physics athena Apr 2016 #70
Cool story. I have a master's in math. And when did I say I wouldn't vote in state and MillennialDem Apr 2016 #73
No PhD required to grasp addition. No vote other than for a candidate can add to their tally. TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #97
If you think she is weak what does that make Bernie redstateblues Apr 2016 #77
It depends on what the definition of "it" is Fumesucker Apr 2016 #19
Depends on the definition of "it" hobbit709 Apr 2016 #20
I think the nomination will be hers. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #21
Agreed runaway hero Apr 2016 #23
Hahahahaha. lostnfound Apr 2016 #25
Is this the kind of shit David Brock is paying for? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #26
trof is an original DUer who avoided the divisive Primaries forum here - YOU want to blm Apr 2016 #104
Nope rateyes Apr 2016 #27
Nope lmbradford Apr 2016 #33
Pass vintx Apr 2016 #34
The Revolution will not be euthanized. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #35
No one "has" it until the Democratic National Convention. All in it together Apr 2016 #36
I'm gonna take the advice of Takei (along with yours) Raine1967 Apr 2016 #37
This is a discussion board...Until Skinner pulls the switch.. Armstead Apr 2016 #38
This is satire, right? aikoaiko Apr 2016 #42
no byyiminy Apr 2016 #43
Thanks Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #50
Does she have 2383 pledged delegates? No she jillan Apr 2016 #51
There may be alot of noise coming out of the dying BS campaign... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #52
I haven't sat out an election in my life tularetom Apr 2016 #57
I am not sure the country can survive Trump Frances Apr 2016 #78
FFS "I was for Bernie"? OK. nt Logical Apr 2016 #58
Never! Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #63
No; Hillary still needs 70% of the remaining delegates, i believe; this will go to the convention amborin Apr 2016 #71
No deal. eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #74
I haven't voted yet. SalviaBlue Apr 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Apr 2016 #79
LOL look who recced the post! LOL. JimDandy Apr 2016 #80
Can you link me to a post...or 100, that shows you supported Bernie. JimDandy Apr 2016 #81
Until she changes her stances on a lot of issues..... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #82
Nope - not gonna... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #83
.that^ X100 840high Apr 2016 #86
Thank you trof. as a 2008 Hill supporter who watched it all fall apart 8 years ago and then Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #87
LOL no. I won't. Actually, she seems like the worse choice to me, in regards to possible war. Joob Apr 2016 #88
trof is a solid DU'er Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #91
Thank you very much. trof Apr 2016 #94
Why is that agreement, on an Internet message board, important to you right now? Orsino Apr 2016 #92
"suck it up, get over it" yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #93
+1.nt Snotcicles Apr 2016 #98
She definitely has that certain, undefinable IT thing going for her. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #100
I am doing what is best - I'm not enabling the neoliberal agenda. Maedhros Apr 2016 #101
ABSOLUTELY NOT. This belongs in the Compost Bin. 2banon Apr 2016 #102
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