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onenote

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24. And now the actual truth. From a Bernie supporter.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

I was working the Hill at the time and saw all this unfold first hand.

The flag protection bill the Clinton co-sponsored was part of a coordinated political strategy to defeat a Constitutional flag burning amendment. Indeed, far from being a "republican" proposal, it was strenuously opposed by repubs, which fit perfectly with the strategy.

Here's the history:

Legislation purporting to ban flag burning was struck down by the Supreme Court in 1989, setting the stage for repeated attempts by Republicans to amend the Constitution. The House passed flag amendments to the Constitution by more than the required 2/3 margin in every Congress from 104th (1995) to the 109th (2006). Twice (1995 and 2000) the Senate came within 4 votes of also providing the required 2/3 vote of approval.

Heading into 2005 and 2006, the proponents of a flag burning amendment to the Constitution were very optimistic about their chances for getting to the necessary 2/3 vote in the Senate. A resolution to amend the Constitution was introduced in January 2005. In response, an unlikely ally of the anti-amendment forces, Utah Republican Senator Bennett, introduced legislation to protect the flag in April (S.1370). The idea was to provide cover for those opposed to the constitutional amendment. In July 2005, shortly after the House voted in favor of the Constitutional amendment by more than the required 2/3 margin, four Democrats signed up as co-sponsors of the Bennett legislation: Byrd, Carper, Conrad, and Dorgan. The bill, as expected, was buried by the Republican majority -- it did not even get a hearing. By the way, Robert Byrd was considered the foremost Constitutional expert in the Senate. He knew the law he was co-sponsoring was not going to pass, that it would be subject to constitutional challenge if it did, and that it would protect the constitution from being amended.

With a vote on the Constitutional amendment approved by the House still looming in the fall, Bennett introduced a second bill (S. 1911) in October 2005, this time with Clinton as a fig leaf co-sponsor. After it became clear that the Senate was going to vote on the House-passed Constitutional amendment in June 2006, additional Democrats signed on as sponsors: Carper, Boxer, and Pryor. That bill also, as expected, was killed by the repubs without even a hearing, as was intended by its sponsors. However, the very fact that the legislation addressing flag desecration had been introduced gave the sponsors the political cover to vote against the House-passed Constitutional amendment in June 2006. The vote on the amendment was 66-34: one vote shy of the necessary 2/3. Every one of the co-sponsors of the two Bennett bills: Clinton, Boxer, Carper, Conrad, Pryor, Byrd, Dorgan and Bennett voted no on the amendment; had even one of them defected, the amendment would have gone to the states for almost certain ratification.

There is no doubt that signing onto the Bennett bills was an act of self-interest and/or self-preservation by several of the Democrats -- Carper, Clinton, Conrad and Byrd were all up for re-election in 2006. But the reality is that no one expected or intended the legislation they were supporting to go anywhere. Indeed, they knew for a fact it wouldn't go anywhere because the Republican majority would never allow a mere piece of legislation to pass in lieu of their desired Constitutional amendment. By having a group of Democrats and a lead Republican on that legislation, it became possible to kill the Constitutional amendment without any chance of harm befalling citizens' first amendment rights.

I don't call that pandering. I call it smart legislative strategy.

"Some"? Android3.14 Apr 2016 #1
LOL That was my initial reaponse too Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #11
Thread winner. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #32
Well, to be fair, with the new paradigm at DU, the real comment had to be couched. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #38
Are we allowed to throw markers on... Kittycat Apr 2016 #51
Too many to count, not "some". /nt RiverLover Apr 2016 #44
Just wait until she *Pivots* n/t JimDandy Apr 2016 #58
Everyone, even Bernie, has votes in their past that you won't like. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #2
The problem with Hillary, though, is that there are so many. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #12
That wasn't just a vote. She proposed the bill. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2016 #23
It is why we don't have an amendment dsc Apr 2016 #3
"Gave cover?" Why couldn't they just say NO instead of playing games? IdaBriggs May 2016 #61
I disagree with Hillary on First Amendment issues. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #4
I'm with you on that Android3.14 Apr 2016 #48
so craven Attorney in Texas Apr 2016 #5
So smart. Part of a strategy to protect the constitution. onenote Apr 2016 #26
In some ways Sanders is a lot closer to being a Republican. seabeyond Apr 2016 #6
+1 rock Apr 2016 #7
Yea, that's why the NRA gave him a D- rating. B Calm Apr 2016 #13
Attacking the Democratic Party and their members. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #25
For sure. The way they campaign. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #30
On foreign policy? Absolutely. N/T actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #8
Economic policy, as well. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #14
In some ways, Cartman is a lot closer to being Marlon Brando. moriah Apr 2016 #9
You know... you're right! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #10
In some ways, lots of people are like lots of things. MineralMan Apr 2016 #15
How about in many ways.... ViseGrip Apr 2016 #16
I don't care about the law. A vote you scraped up outta nowhere doesn't make HRC a Republican. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #17
"introduced by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton" is more than "a vote". It was her idea n/t arcane1 Apr 2016 #27
still don't give a shit, and it's still stirring shit. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #49
Bernie isn't even a Democrat - makes him more like a Republican. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #18
Working for the people and being Center and Left of Center on issues has nothing to do with anything -none Apr 2016 #19
"What the Democratic party should be"... Thirties Child Apr 2016 #36
I needed a question mark at the end of my Reply title to make it clearer. -none Apr 2016 #39
That is such a fail of logic, I'm almost speechless. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #20
Lil Missy turning left PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #22
Hahaha, the right-wing mind is a strange beast. Broward Apr 2016 #35
She supports the death penalty, too. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #21
And now the actual truth. From a Bernie supporter. onenote Apr 2016 #24
You need to post this as an OP so I and others can bookmark it. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #28
The Constitutional amendment would've never survived the process in the first place. arcane1 Apr 2016 #33
Well its too bad that you weren't around then to give your expert advice to all those novices onenote Apr 2016 #43
Sarcastic personal attack is proof the truth hurts arcane1 Apr 2016 #46
No its not. onenote Apr 2016 #47
"smart legislative strategy" Sunlei Apr 2016 #34
Looks like onenote explained it well. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #29
She's a moderate similar to how Obama has always been. Except she's not as instantly lovable. Sunlei Apr 2016 #31
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #37
John Lewis is the type of person who would have been a republican during the Reagan years onenote Apr 2016 #40
Good CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #41
You are so very wrong. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #42
. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #53
gross,homophobe,nut job prince. warning next time. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #55
1) not in ways most significant to my life and health she isn't. 2) That was a counter proposal to bettyellen Apr 2016 #45
She is not "closer", but she IS a Republican. . . . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #50
Don't forget cannabis! immoderate Apr 2016 #52
Bullshit.Same old smear. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress redstateblues Apr 2016 #57
Yea, her stance on the failed war on drugs is liberal, lol. B Calm May 2016 #60
It wasn't "her flag burning bill" annavictorious Apr 2016 #54
I don't support this law. Unlike rigid ideological Bernie Fans, if we don't need to be in lockstep Tarc Apr 2016 #56
She voted with every Republican to continue to mangle children with cluster bombs. Scuba May 2016 #59
"Some"??!!? Bwahahahahaaa! Katashi_itto May 2016 #62
Hillary voted with the Democrats in the Senate over 98 percent of the time oberliner May 2016 #63
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