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JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
63. Unfortunately, the Repub party in Idaho actually did force the state to register voters by party
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:24 AM
May 2016

in 2011. They filed suit and won:

IDAHO REPUBLICAN PARTY v. YSURSA, BEN In his Official Capacity as Secretary of State of the State of Idaho

INTRODUCTION
This case presents the question whether the State of Idaho’s use of an open primary system to determine nominees for the general election violates the Idaho Republican Party’s First Amendment rights. Because the open primary permits substantial numbers of independent voters, as well as voters associated with other political parties, to “cross over” and participate in the Republican Party’s selection of its nominees, the Court concludes that, by mandating such a nomination process, the State violates the Party’s constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of association.

http://www.sos.idaho.gov/ELECT/ClosedPrimaryOrder.pdf


The defendant, a Republican, didn't put up much of a fight for the people of the State of Idaho.

That is why instead of 22 states that don't register voters by party, there are now only 21:

Alabama -- open primary
Arkansas -- open primary
Georgia -- open primary
Hawaii -- open caucus
Illinois -- semi-open primary
Indiana -- open primary
Michigan -- open primary
Minnesota -- open caucus
Mississippi -- open primary
Missouri -- open primary
Montana -- open primary
North Dakota -- open caucus
Ohio -- semi-open primary
South Carolina --open primary
Tennessee -- open primary
Texas -- closed caucus
Utah -- closed primary
Vermont -- open primary
Virginia -- open primary
Washington -- open caucus
Wisconsin -- open primary
Wow, at least Cali is closed to Republican voters. bettyellen May 2016 #1
Including unaffiliated is effectively the same as completely open. pat_k May 2016 #10
Indiana was open- it is Cali that does not allow Republicans- it is a "hybrid system". Sorry if it bettyellen May 2016 #15
I suspect both parties now agree with QDouble, as the party Hortensis May 2016 #112
3 % of voters identified as Republican TSIAS May 2016 #70
Wel now that Trump is a done deal that number could climb.... bettyellen May 2016 #71
It's more representative of the GE Jester Messiah May 2016 #2
HUUUUUGE Red Flag and they know it. JimDandy May 2016 #35
Agree on both counts. CentralCoaster May 2016 #37
She's won the majority of open primaries. Where's the issue? ContinentalOp May 2016 #45
Bullshit. 70% of states have open primaries. pat_k May 2016 #3
Yep, not one peep about open primaries before, until Sanders started clocking Hillary's block. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #36
Clocking her block? ContinentalOp May 2016 #61
For a candidate that your team said would never get out of the Iowa JimDandy May 2016 #65
My "team"? OK ContinentalOp May 2016 #66
Your post needs this ... JoePhilly May 2016 #117
Make sure you orient yourself correctly JimDandy May 2016 #122
Not one peep about closed primaries ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #84
Good luck winning the general election with "Dems only". RichVRichV May 2016 #86
Clinton isn't winning "dems only" ContinentalOp May 2016 #92
Check the 2008 primary exit polls. RichVRichV May 2016 #95
Why 2008 and not 2012 when he didn't win independents? ContinentalOp May 2016 #96
You act as if there are no Democratic leaning Independents. RichVRichV May 2016 #98
Perhaps you are unaware ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #100
You are absolutely right. RichVRichV May 2016 #121
My state NY annavictorious May 2016 #107
Lol northernsouthern May 2016 #4
Next you will be wanting on Dems and Repubs to vote in the GE artislife May 2016 #5
The idea is to pick a candidate to actually win the general election DefenseLawyer May 2016 #6
^ This. AzDar May 2016 #16
Why is this so hard for them? Barack_America May 2016 #28
Didn't you make a lengthy post about woolldog May 2016 #39
I know which of you I would rather see leave DJ13 May 2016 #44
Are you asking people to leave? northernsouthern May 2016 #52
^== Well said! IdaBriggs May 2016 #32
The Superdelegates are quietly wrestling with this fact. JimDandy May 2016 #38
Well since she has won most of the open primaries I think we have done just that! ContinentalOp May 2016 #46
She has lost the Independent vote all over the country. RichVRichV May 2016 #85
Obama won without winning independents in 2012 ContinentalOp May 2016 #89
You act as if the Independent vote is a monolith. RichVRichV May 2016 #91
You seem to be the one treating the independent voters like a monolith ContinentalOp May 2016 #94
Look at post 85. I broke down the Independent votes for all the states that were close in 2012, RichVRichV May 2016 #97
No he didn't. RichVRichV May 2016 #119
Independents couldn't vote in Florida RockaFowler May 2016 #108
Exit polls. RichVRichV May 2016 #120
The idea is that if we let Republicans vote they will do the opposite. No sale. bettyellen May 2016 #60
So you actually think "Operation Chaos" is a thing? DefenseLawyer May 2016 #116
You're such a charmer. I bet you win hearts on the campaign trail. bettyellen May 2016 #123
what a baffling clutch of sore winners at camp weathervane Warren Stupidity May 2016 #7
Such an inclusive and inviting party you got there. yodermon May 2016 #8
I agree. Sparkly May 2016 #9
It is a good thing only Democrats are allowed to vote in the GE awake May 2016 #11
hehehe TheDormouse May 2016 #13
Exactly! nt Raine May 2016 #23
By the fall, it's a different election Sparkly May 2016 #25
Obama won without independents ContinentalOp May 2016 #47
In 2008 Obama TM99 May 2016 #80
How long should someone be registered as Dem to be able to vote TheDormouse May 2016 #12
What do I think? casperthegm May 2016 #14
I'm a Bernie supporter but I agree hollowdweller May 2016 #17
Yes - let's only let Dems vote for the nominee. And let's not let Independents vote for the Dem Nanjeanne May 2016 #18
Good point. Urchin May 2016 #68
Sounds like Sanders is the right candidate to grow the party! Ash_F May 2016 #19
Bernie got 101000 votes from independents, Hillary about 43000 Dem2 May 2016 #20
How, um, democratic of you. Yep. Let the nominee be decided by 26% of the electorate. Luminous Animal May 2016 #21
Some of those non-Democrats would vote for Sanders in the GE were he to be nominated. Garrett78 May 2016 #22
Naw, that would be foolish. Independents will determine the GE. Peace Patriot May 2016 #24
They didn't determine the GE last time. Why would they now? ContinentalOp May 2016 #48
The only rules the HRC folks want enforced... Yurovsky May 2016 #26
. Sparkly May 2016 #27
yep - closed DrDan May 2016 #29
No paulthompson May 2016 #30
She has won the majority of open primaries, so how do you figure he would win if they all were open? ContinentalOp May 2016 #49
I didn't realize Indiana was a caucus state. SheilaT May 2016 #57
Here's the breakdown ContinentalOp May 2016 #59
You said, and I quote SheilaT May 2016 #69
I meant in terms of a category. ContinentalOp May 2016 #75
One problem paulthompson May 2016 #73
Ah right, the "south doesn't count" argument. ContinentalOp May 2016 #77
Hey CO, we're going to agree here! JimDandy May 2016 #82
State for state though she wins either way. ContinentalOp May 2016 #87
Again, the real difference is the kind of voter they each are getting... JimDandy May 2016 #88
Yeah, slicing and dicing the electorate can be interesting. ContinentalOp May 2016 #90
Catch up with you later... JimDandy May 2016 #93
Disagree paulthompson May 2016 #101
No. The Midway Rebel May 2016 #31
Then why did Bernie join one? GulfCoast66 May 2016 #58
"Those types" are citizens too. The Midway Rebel May 2016 #74
Maybe pmorlan1 May 2016 #33
On that point I do agree. Beacool May 2016 #34
Democrats are a third of voters. bunnies May 2016 #40
The Democratic party does not need or want Independents! The party will summon them when ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #41
I love how you guys need a rigged game to win passiveporcupine May 2016 #42
It's completely impossible to hold closed primaries in states that cali May 2016 #43
Unfortunately, the Repub party in Idaho actually did force the state to register voters by party JimDandy May 2016 #63
Oh boo hoo whatchamacallit May 2016 #50
Slaughtered? Such vile, destructive language choices you guys choose. Why is that? nt Live and Learn May 2016 #51
Only if the GE is also closed to anyone not reg'd Dem (or living in Brooklyn) GreatGazoo May 2016 #53
Then we shouldn't have Jbradshaw120 May 2016 #54
You're confusing democrats with Democrats. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #55
Well of course! SheilaT May 2016 #56
All primaries should be open. The right to vote for a candidate that inspires B Calm May 2016 #62
I think closed primaries should be completely funded by the party that wants to exclude people FrodosPet May 2016 #64
Maybe The National Election Urchin May 2016 #67
Here is what I think LostOne4Ever May 2016 #72
...and get rid of voting machines. nt Nyan May 2016 #81
More reasons all primaries should be OPEN. basselope May 2016 #76
I think Exit Polls are Bullshit Silver_Witch May 2016 #78
All primaries and caucuses should be open. It would be far more democratic. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #79
I guess you resent his win in Indiana? Betty Karlson May 2016 #83
and she still lost. how would the general be better for her? pansypoo53219 May 2016 #99
If all democratic primaries should be closed, then all democrats should pay for them Chezboo May 2016 #102
Register properly MFM008 May 2016 #103
Yea, that's such a "smart" way to choose a candidate for the GE. pdsimdars May 2016 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author fourcents May 2016 #105
Bernie lost among democrats 54-46% according to exit poll. All primaries should be closed primaries jmousso75 May 2016 #106
Nancy Pelosi's daughter Christine Pelosi Eric J in MN May 2016 #109
The the party needs to pick up 100% of the cost Duckhunter935 May 2016 #110
Spoken by another person who won't look too far back to properly judge history... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #111
What the hell is an "outsider"? Someone who didn't go through the secret Democratic rituals? Armstead May 2016 #113
Good thing only "real Democrats" get to vote in the General Election! 99Forever May 2016 #114
It's up to the states how they set up their primaries. yardwork May 2016 #115
K&R mcar May 2016 #118
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