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apnu

(8,755 posts)
13. Exactly.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

Bernie people keep forgetting that Hillary has strong numbers with women, African Americans, Latinos and others. The Bernie people seem to ignore those groups when trying to convince everybody that Bernie has momentum. Doing so is a disservice to Bernie and what he's stood for all these years.

Bernie supporters also forget that this is the primary and, yes Bernie has a lot of support, which is great, but come the GE, everybody who votes will have to make new choices depending on who's on the ballot. They keep talking about subverting democracy and so on, which is hogwash. This is party politics, nobody's actually cast an official ballot, the democratic process in the United States of America hasn't happened yet. They put the cart before the horse.

I'm tired of Bernie supporters absolutism, this notion that all independents and millennials support Bernie now and will only support Bernie in the GE. That is a childish projection on reasonable adults which says more about the poster than it does about reality.

Come voting day every liberal and progressive in the booth is going to look at their choices on the ballot and make a decision. They will have to live with whatever that decision is. If they choose to sit out, vote 3rd party, write in, or flip to Trump just to spite Hillary, then everything that happens in a Trump Presidency is on their heads.

I like to think that die-hard Bernie supporters are smarter than that. We'll find out on November 8th.

So you are in favor of superdelegates subverting democracy. YouDig May 2016 #1
That is their role, isn't it? WHy have them if not for their intended use? morningfog May 2016 #2
They did that a long time ago, when they committed to Hillary before Bernie announced. floriduck May 2016 #4
They do seem to want to risk losing. vintx May 2016 #15
Hillary will easily pull indies and millennials to her side. JaneyVee May 2016 #3
She hasn't done it yet. Indies don't want her. nm floriduck May 2016 #5
Obama won without independents or white males as a voting bloc. JaneyVee May 2016 #6
Take your chances. I'm just raising the question. nm floriduck May 2016 #7
I'll take my chances with Hillary's broad, diverse coalition. JaneyVee May 2016 #9
Exactly. apnu May 2016 #13
You are assuming everyone will vote. Bad assumption. And concerning "smart", floriduck May 2016 #18
I am not assuming everybody will vote, never said that. apnu May 2016 #24
Don't let the facts get in the way of a false narrative DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #23
Don't lose mad...just lose. nt LexVegas May 2016 #8
I'm not mad. I'm just posing a question. Don't be upset if Hillary loses either. floriduck May 2016 #12
you promise? Hiraeth May 2016 #29
Actually it is Bernie's responsibility to bring his WhiteTara May 2016 #10
His supporters aren't obligated to play follow the leader vintx May 2016 #16
they may not be obligated, but he is. WhiteTara May 2016 #27
"If Bernie was leading in pledged delegates today, we could expect Hillary supporters to use a pampango May 2016 #11
You're already hearing the litany from Bernie supporters. What goes around comes around. floriduck May 2016 #14
What do we tell the people who voted in the primaries? That the super-delegates looked at the polls pampango May 2016 #17
Sorry but that was a major reason for creating super delegates. They weren't my doing. floriduck May 2016 #19
So you don't like super-delegates but they serve a useful purpose. OK. pampango May 2016 #22
Responding to your first paragraph, I'd say the win outweighs everything else. floriduck May 2016 #32
Fair enough though I disagree with your priorities. n/t pampango May 2016 #36
Democrats should not become complacent - GOP has a way of coalescing before the General Election! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #20
GOP has a way of coalescing before the General Election! Hiraeth May 2016 #31
That's why these early Trump V. XXXX comparisons are worrisome, Trumps later numbers will be higher! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #37
in my area, I will not be surprised at all. Clinton hatred here is PALPABLE. Hiraeth May 2016 #38
Hillary Clinton's 3,000, 0000 popular vote leads comes from people of color and women. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #21
I completely agree, especially from states that historically vote Republican. floriduck May 2016 #28
Last I checked she won VA, FL, NC, OH, and NV... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #33
Be more specific. How many of the 3000000 votes were from POC? floriduck May 2016 #34
Sure DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #35
Based on your exit poll data from CNN, floriduck May 2016 #39
Thank you for proving my point DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #40
Whatever I can do to make you happy. Just stay like that after the general. floriduck May 2016 #41
What if it was practically a 3 way tie at this point? Skink May 2016 #25
They would have a dilemma. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #26
good question. Hiraeth May 2016 #30
..... asuhornets May 2016 #42
Thank you for keeping your input short. Much appreciated. floriduck May 2016 #43
Some Bernie supporters say the same things over and over again asuhornets May 2016 #44
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