is this a variation of: "take baby steps..." even if you have been walking and running for years? (Reply #54)

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Sun May 8, 2016, 11:56 AM

islandmkl (5,275 posts)

54. is this a variation of: "take baby steps..." even if you have been walking and running for years?

among PBO's great accomplishments...negotiating/compromising does not appear to be his strong suit...forget all the 'three-dimensional-chess versus checkers' bs...starting 'compromises' at half of what you want to begin with is either being more than naive about your opposition...or an intentional gambit...

look at who got what they wanted after all the 'deals' and maybe the answer will become slightly more apparent...

corporatists compromising with corporatists...and you expected to not get screwed?

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61 replies	Author	Time	Post
"You will enjoy a certain moral security"---Check your privilege. [View all]	msanthrope	May 2016	OP
That bolded piece is why things have gone so wrong	Blue_Adept	May 2016	#1
Load. Of. crap.	Adrahil	May 2016	#41
Thanks for disagreeing so respectfully!	Blue_Adept	May 2016	#59
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2016	#2
Thanks for making the President's point about votes, not hashtags.	msanthrope	May 2016	#5
K&R	betsuni	May 2016	#3
The Big "O" is cautioning a particular segment of the Left against using the uncompromising	Trust Buster	May 2016	#4
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2016	#6
That attitude will only lead to more years of paralysis in Washington.	Trust Buster	May 2016	#7
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2016	#8
"the sane category as the Tea Party" - I don't believe "sane" applies to the TP in any context	DrDan	May 2016	#15
True, but...	Chan790	May 2016	#9
What, precisely, do you think HRC needs to compromise on to win	msanthrope	May 2016	#10
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	May 2016	#14
Yup	Armstead	May 2016	#38
You convinced me, you sweet talker, you.	Buns_of_Fire	May 2016	#57
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	May 2016	#58
I want her to be explicit that she rejects Oligarchy and Trickle Down	Schema Thing	May 2016	#18
Okay.. .these are slogans, not policies. Talk actually policies. nt	msanthrope	May 2016	#22
wtf? Those ARE NOT SLOGANS	Schema Thing	May 2016	#25
Sadly, the Clinton Machine's apologists...	NewImproved Deal	May 2016	#30
Down with Oligarchy is a slogan. Kindly show which part of her economic	msanthrope	May 2016	#43
I won't raise taxes even a little on anyone making 250k is not a slogan though, is it?	Schema Thing	May 2016	#53
She has said many times that trickle economics doesn't work...	Adrahil	May 2016	#42
Representative Government. We have it, some don't seem to know what it is.	Lucinda	May 2016	#11
And Obama formerly claimed that denial of LGBT marriage rights in favor of 'civil unions' was	Bluenorthwest	May 2016	#12
And that those who oppose torture are "sanctimonious". Thanks, but I'll look elsewhere for	Doctor_J	May 2016	#17
Hooray for capitulation!	99Forever	May 2016	#13
People parading their amorality as if it were a virtue is a relatively new thing.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#16
You see....using the extreme term "amorality" to describe thinking different from yours	msanthrope	May 2016	#21
He was talking to the next generation of very serious people.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#23
Dude. He was at Howard. Kinda puts a pin in your outrage balloon, no? nt	msanthrope	May 2016	#44
Thanks for the correction. nt	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#48
But Sanders fans think Obama is part of "the problem".	baldguy	May 2016	#19
Thus, the South was lost to Bernie. nt	msanthrope	May 2016	#20
It's lost to Clinton too.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#24
How so? She'll win the nomination because of those southern delegates . . .	brush	May 2016	#35
It is always the process that seems to be a mystery to some here....	bettyellen	May 2016	#55
He is	Mnpaul	May 2016	#52
Obama has always been excellent at the strawman premise.	aikoaiko	May 2016	#26
Oh, stop it! "Comprimise" is just as much a dirty word to Sanders fans as it is the Tea Baggers.	baldguy	May 2016	#28
It is a dirty word when you use it to try to justify an agenda that is for the big money backers	Skwmom	May 2016	#31
Not really. You're confounding uncompromising principles with not being able to negotiate	aikoaiko	May 2016	#36
I agree with what he said 100 percent -- And I support Sanders	Armstead	May 2016	#27
^^^ and as long as Obama is pushing bad trade deals	Kittycat	May 2016	#34
The primary decides if a position is ours or the pukes, not ideological opinions.	BootinUp	May 2016	#37
That's a large box to unpack...	Armstead	May 2016	#40
Thank you. Too many people get all balled up in the idea that "Sanders can't do	Nay	May 2016	#50
I am trying to debate about the big picture here	BootinUp	May 2016	#60
Maybe Pres Obama is struggling to come to grips with his own actions. Then again, maybe not. I've	Skwmom	May 2016	#29
I should care because he's president?	whatchamacallit	May 2016	#32
Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#33
This is the guy that ended up a self-exiled, penniless drunkard, right?	baldguy	May 2016	#47
And?	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#49
And what? Isn't that enough?	baldguy	May 2016	#51
There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#56
Go tell it to the marginalized and the poor.	mmonk	May 2016	#39
WOW, Says the supporters of HRH Queen Hillary	beedle	May 2016	#45
That speech was just a Job interview.	TimPlo	May 2016	#46
is this a variation of: "take baby steps..." even if you have been walking and running for years?	islandmkl	May 2016	#54
Yes, Hillary voters should check their privilege	Dems to Win	May 2016	#61

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