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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
205. They'll probably "disappear" for four years ...
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

... then return again full of piss and vinegar, ready for another fight, complaining of being "ignored" and "marginalized" (but having done nothing during the interim to join, volunteer, influence, participate, guide, run, campaign, or elect like-minded individuals, or steer the party.)

"Democracy requires compromise, even when you are 100% right. This is hard to explain sometimes. You can be completely right and you still have to engage folks who disagree with you. If you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible, you will feel good about yourself, you will enjoy a certain moral security, but you will not get what you want." - President Barak Obama


The end game is to spend 24/7 attacking the Dem nominee, and... JaneyVee May 2016 #1
To be fair, they're not ignoring the Orange One. baldguy May 2016 #5
Dead on! pandr32 May 2016 #55
lol...I didn't see that coming...good one...nt Henhouse May 2016 #69
+1 n/t JTFrog May 2016 #70
Lol. Also to be fair, there are TWO major SBS factions -- Hortensis May 2016 #71
All very true. n/t Maru Kitteh May 2016 #168
I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the leftist radicals and rightist reactionaries have Cal33 May 2016 #209
I would be surprised if they weren't here and am sure they are. Hortensis May 2016 #216
Bernie supporters like me have always compromised in every election and voted JDPriestly May 2016 #227
Hate Bernie supporters? I WAS one until Hortensis May 2016 #231
As a Bernie supporter, I find the Hillary supporters to be hateful. JDPriestly May 2016 #235
You and 0 professional observers. They're too Hortensis May 2016 #236
Hillary and her establishment supporters are making a huge mistake in dismissing Bernie JDPriestly May 2016 #248
Don't deflect. You projected the SBSer's famous hostile Hortensis May 2016 #249
The pendulum swings both ways Seeinghope May 2016 #262
No, it really doesn't. We're no angels, but we're Hortensis May 2016 #265
True extremism on either side is polarized Seeinghope May 2016 #268
If you were a Sanders supporter, you would agree with me. JDPriestly May 2016 #264
Twas a time when in some parts of our country, abolitionists and those who aided JDPriestly May 2016 #263
Damn true luxpara4 May 2016 #254
They wouldnt attack Bernie as they do if they werent aware he's a better candidate Baobab May 2016 #267
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #98
yep, and they don't think it's *them*. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #130
Let her do what she wants! Baobab May 2016 #138
He asked for Bernie supporters end game not whistler162 May 2016 #153
I think Hillary supporters have to ask themselves the same question about the FBI report leveymg May 2016 #204
There IS no Democratic nominee yet... no matter WHAT you think the definition of is is. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #243
I think that the political fringes tend to be more self absorbed. They find it harder to except Trust Buster May 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #19
Except for the fact that all of the quotes you posted are true. By definition, the political fringes Trust Buster May 2016 #31
Go Trust Buster!! nt eastwestdem May 2016 #64
Stop insulting Democrats. FlaGranny May 2016 #29
I disagree. I believe Sanders and his supporters are fringe. The President touched on this Trust Buster May 2016 #33
If you can call FlaGranny May 2016 #43
Obama has not had control of the House since 2010 nor 60 votes in the Senate. A fact he reiterated Trust Buster May 2016 #44
Compromise does NOT mean starting by gutting one's own position and principles and... k8conant May 2016 #77
Well that's not an accurate characterization of how the President works anigbrowl May 2016 #152
That doesn't sound like a response to what I wrote. k8conant May 2016 #156
I think you should look back FlaGranny May 2016 #188
How do you figure that compromise is the only option? FlaGranny May 2016 #193
He may share some FDR values, but FDR was a rich establishment pol. just like Hillary. OhZone May 2016 #131
Although, FlaGranny May 2016 #187
Bernie has far more voters than either Hill or Trump. You so easily defend the corrupt status quo larkrake May 2016 #45
Far more voters than Hillary ? You don't even have to be good at math to know that's wrong. Trust Buster May 2016 #46
Indys and horrified anti-trump Repubs will vote Bernie over Hillary larkrake May 2016 #50
Anti-Trump voters will vote for Sanders you say ? You mean the people that don't think Trump is Trust Buster May 2016 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #200
Hillary has more votes than Sanders or Trump. Where'd you get those numbers? brush May 2016 #73
Where does Hillary get her numbers, is the serious, real question. ancianita May 2016 #256
Ahhh . . . the voters. brush May 2016 #257
Exit polls, you say? Or the machine data reports? ancianita May 2016 #258
I don't get where you'e going with this brush May 2016 #259
Tell me why Hillary's voters numbers are so credible. Yesterday, Baltimore, decertifies its primary ancianita May 2016 #261
They aren't right wing AgingAmerican May 2016 #61
Compromise is fine. Compromising by opening the bidding Kall May 2016 #180
FlaGranny, SBS has 2 main factions of supporters: Hortensis May 2016 #75
Seriously? FlaGranny May 2016 #86
Well, my best guess would be that you are basically liberal but Hortensis May 2016 #87
That's quite insulting. FlaGranny May 2016 #195
Look, Gran. I pointed out that there are Hortensis May 2016 #207
Personally, I think a nominee under a criminal investigation gives Democrats a bad name. Fawke Em May 2016 #223
You are attributing FlaGranny May 2016 #234
You are insulting with this condescending nonsense.. mountain grammy May 2016 #208
My Dad who is 85 yrs. old is an FDR Democrat and he voted for Bernie oregonjen May 2016 #127
Sanders apparent lead against Trump is a mirage, due to the fact that a tiny fraction pnwmom May 2016 #132
Sanders has never posed enough of a threat for HRC to truly go negative on him Maru Kitteh May 2016 #174
The only way to go negative on Sanders FlaGranny May 2016 #197
Proudly wears it? He put "democratic" in front of socialist when he decided redstateblues May 2016 #252
The word "democratic" FlaGranny May 2016 #260
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #99
I am starting to agree with you... nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #102
The end game is the Presidency inchhigh May 2016 #3
Bernie will not be the nominee metroins May 2016 #9
Perhaps a Dream but not a fantasy inchhigh May 2016 #16
And who would that be? metroins May 2016 #22
This is what just terrifies me about her inchhigh May 2016 #48
Have you ever been in California or Oregon? JDPriestly May 2016 #228
to see him back in the Senate as a registered Democrat DrDan May 2016 #4
Any bets on how long it will take BS to return to being an "Independent"? n/t SFnomad May 2016 #67
Unless he goes and change it drray23 May 2016 #202
I just love it when LWolf May 2016 #6
Even more humorous Fairgo May 2016 #108
Or, on the other hand, LWolf May 2016 #122
The end game is Hillary losing regardless of who wins Renew Deal May 2016 #7
Our end game is your not talking about us as 'other' --"Do you guys..." HereSince1628 May 2016 #8
Do you think most Sanders supporters were previously Democrats? The ones I know IRL eastwestdem May 2016 #65
I know some life long Democrats who supported Bernie griffi94 May 2016 #82
Makes sense...idealism can sometimes be its own worst enemy. eastwestdem May 2016 #85
Exactly right griffi94 May 2016 #88
Like parable of workers in the vineyard, it doesn't matter when they came, but that they came HereSince1628 May 2016 #91
Registered Democrat since 1981 Amaril May 2016 #107
The primary is STILL ON! And until it is done at the Convention your OP will just be bkkyosemite May 2016 #10
There. are. not. enough. votes. left. for Bernie. to win. even. if. he. wins. 100% of. the. votes. LaydeeBug May 2016 #173
Using a period after each word does not make your statement true Art_from_Ark May 2016 #221
I am so sorry but it's not over yet and I know it's killing you...take a coffee break bkkyosemite May 2016 #237
I know you're having a hard time dealing with facts and math and I *promise* LaydeeBug May 2016 #238
Don't need a reality check. Plenty of proof a rigged primary! bkkyosemite May 2016 #239
Of *course*. When *she* wins, it's rigged, and when *he* wins, LaydeeBug May 2016 #240
Big difference between the two wins...haven't you been watching? Gotcha bkkyosemite May 2016 #244
I've been watching, have you? She is winning. He isn't hitting his goals LaydeeBug May 2016 #245
Crooked math is crooked math. bkkyosemite May 2016 #246
continuing to win primaries does not damage his influence. virtualobserver May 2016 #11
What is this end game you speak of? hootinholler May 2016 #12
Agreed - this is a movement womanofthehills May 2016 #26
I don't know why you guys aren't electing the guy bringing it, but the mass crowds LaydeeBug May 2016 #113
Maybe it is the voter polls that change from Democrat to Independent, or even inactive? -none May 2016 #120
Of *course*. "When he wins, it's a revolution. When she wins, it's *rigged*" LaydeeBug May 2016 #135
Didn't I already address this? -none May 2016 #137
Didn't I address basic math? LaydeeBug May 2016 #142
The superdelagates beltanefauve May 2016 #177
By staying in until the last state had voted Eric J in MN May 2016 #13
I think he already has enough influence drray23 May 2016 #203
Well, he's not going to get out right before another winning streak. Fawke Em May 2016 #224
I'd explain how i see it....but not gonna bother talking to a wall Armstead May 2016 #14
To send a clear message that we won't reward lying, cheating, and anti-democratic behavior from a GoneFishin May 2016 #15
I don't care for you speaking of Democrats as the other, 'you guys' and all. Who are you to do that? Bluenorthwest May 2016 #17
Highest relevance of the values held by Bernie Sanders and liberal Democrats. PufPuf23 May 2016 #18
Pssssst, hey, don't tell everyone, it's a secret RobertEarl May 2016 #20
+1 SheenaR May 2016 #253
I don't know, what are you going to when Hillary's recommended for indictment? pinebox May 2016 #21
Until all the DINOs go back to being Repubs. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #23
Hopefully some of the party leadership will take notice that 40-45% of their party... TCJ70 May 2016 #24
I'd like to think so, but more likely the conclusion they'll reach from this is: Arugula Latte May 2016 #68
Of *course*, because when Bernie wins, it's "a revoltuion" and when Hillary wins, "it's rigged" LaydeeBug May 2016 #92
meaning the majority of people voted for her how bout the "us" stop ignoring reality uponit7771 May 2016 #101
Good luck in the fall... TCJ70 May 2016 #116
only if you think its better to right off 55%... put me on ignore, facts are facts ignore wont uponit7771 May 2016 #118
The endgame? I dunno. Shadowflash May 2016 #25
keeping the issues alive oldandhappy May 2016 #27
End game: Long term movement TDale313 May 2016 #28
No, they absolutely do not get that this is not all about Bernie. Says a lot about intellect and djean111 May 2016 #37
THIS primary is indeed about Bernie. You see, he's losing, LaydeeBug May 2016 #139
It'll end shortly after the last primary. JoePhilly May 2016 #30
Win or lose, we will not be going away -none May 2016 #124
It's great that you plan to efffect change, but he has LOST the primary LaydeeBug May 2016 #149
The Primary is not over. -none May 2016 #151
Yes it is. Math is math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #190
How can it be over when the convention hasn't happened yet? -none May 2016 #194
Nope beltanefauve May 2016 #178
Yep. LaydeeBug May 2016 #191
Either he wins like a disney movie OR his people won't vote. mehneh May 2016 #32
You just won an ignore - who are you to lecture anyone? Feh. djean111 May 2016 #34
I am honored. I really mean that. LaydeeBug May 2016 #38
Rubbing our noses in it, eh? Maedhros May 2016 #60
I am not rubbing your nose in anything at all. LaydeeBug May 2016 #143
Ahhh... another Loyalty Oath Pledge thread. 99Forever May 2016 #35
Amen! BillZBubb May 2016 #78
Ahhh...another attempt at censorship... LaydeeBug May 2016 #171
You don't really have a fucking clue what censorship is. 99Forever May 2016 #186
And yet I know BASIC FUCKING MATH, and so do you. Pity. LaydeeBug May 2016 #189
Apparently you don't know BASIC FUCKING MATH... 99Forever May 2016 #199
Coronation? No. The primary that she *won* by getting more votes and more delegates. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #206
Nobody has won. 99Forever May 2016 #210
Math is math. LaydeeBug May 2016 #211
I'm. not fucking "getting. over" anything... 99Forever May 2016 #212
Oh, you *will* get the fuck over it, because math is math LaydeeBug May 2016 #213
Go Laydee!! Perfectly well said and every word of it true Number23 May 2016 #219
Delegates can and do switch. Fawke Em May 2016 #225
suuuuuuuuuuure they will....hundreds of them. LaydeeBug May 2016 #233
Do you people understand there are 40 million people in California who haven't voted. onecaliberal May 2016 #36
Do you people realize basic delegate math? LaydeeBug May 2016 #39
Thanks for proving my point. onecaliberal May 2016 #41
I have basic math skills...a good foundation in rudimentary reasoning LaydeeBug May 2016 #94
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #106
and yet STILL she has more votes than your guy. LaydeeBug May 2016 #111
For some, it will be holding their breath until they turn blue, MineralMan May 2016 #40
Nice to see you coming right out and saying how you really feel. Punkingal May 2016 #52
Always happy to oblige. MineralMan May 2016 #53
The fight against government corruption isn't about Bernie and will go on. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #42
There is no "end game". IF Sanders doesn't win this primary a lot of people will drop away mikehiggins May 2016 #47
The game doesn't end. It continues in 2017. JackRiddler May 2016 #49
The end comes when Hillary getting the nomination on the first ballot and sanders beachbumbob May 2016 #51
Until the primary is over. redwitch May 2016 #54
For ever. H2O Man May 2016 #56
I'm not a Bernie supporter when it comes to the Presidency, but... YoungDemCA May 2016 #57
The end is like any previous campaign in history, not when the third way gang decides.... dmosh42 May 2016 #58
I'm supporting the ideals behind Bernie's campaign, not just the man himself. Maedhros May 2016 #59
I'm supporting Bernie all the way until he wins or concedes the primary whatchamacallit May 2016 #62
An underlying mistake is the belief that this is about Sanders. mikehiggins May 2016 #63
+1 LWolf May 2016 #232
At this point I would like to send a warning message to the DNC that Arugula Latte May 2016 #66
Simple... Powdered Toast Man May 2016 #74
What does the Democratic Party and its presidential candidate do to prove they are Democrats? highprincipleswork May 2016 #76
The end game is the nomination. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #79
Hillary continued her primary battles in 2008 well after a win by her was mathematically impossible. merrily May 2016 #80
Speaking of Nader beltanefauve May 2016 #181
IOKIYAAC merrily May 2016 #183
The end game is obtaining the nomination, and voting for him in November and 2020 JonLeibowitz May 2016 #81
Spreading awareness of better options. Almost all of Sanders' policies will happen eventually icecreamfan May 2016 #83
To leave convention with the nomination. First, though, we have to concentrate on silvershadow May 2016 #84
There is no chance of Bernie leaving the Democratic convention with the nomination. None. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #89
I would suggest you argue any points you may think you have directly to Bernie, then, through silvershadow May 2016 #90
No thank you. I can do math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #93
There is no math but the vote at convention. Everything else is speculation. nt silvershadow May 2016 #95
Oh, is *that* the new meme? It still doesn't change the basic math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #96
No, that's the historical fact, per the rules we all agreed on. nt silvershadow May 2016 #97
Awww. So then Bernie concedes? Because math is math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #100
Heck no. After he wins several more contests this month, he may well be ahead silvershadow May 2016 #103
Oh *I* see. It's the old, "when he wins, it's a revolution, when she wins, it's rigged" O-kay LaydeeBug May 2016 #125
No, just simple FDR/Union labor views. You buys your ticket, you takes your chances. silvershadow May 2016 #155
Simple FDR/Union labor views include NOT enabling the GOP by staying ina primary you have LOST LaydeeBug May 2016 #157
I won't be. It's up to her to earn her votes. nt silvershadow May 2016 #158
She has indeed earned her votes, and she has MORE of them than your guy LaydeeBug May 2016 #161
Ok. Well, I know how those in my family voted. ;) nt silvershadow May 2016 #162
Me too. ;) nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #164
You may win the battle, but you will lose what little labor support there is, I fear. silvershadow May 2016 #165
She has won the battle, and we have to focus on the war...*you* can fear labor support LaydeeBug May 2016 #166
I fear the TPP- the furtherance of The Corporate State. It is about so much more than silvershadow May 2016 #167
I am sorry you fear so much. I still choose to be brave... LaydeeBug May 2016 #169
Another one makes its' way to my ignore list nt silvershadow May 2016 #170
I fell honored. LaydeeBug May 2016 #172
I like your attitude about volunteering. After all, there are still people who haven't voted. moriah May 2016 #110
THERE IS NO END GAME. We are Progressives, & will never quit fighting the bullshit in the Democratic highprincipleswork May 2016 #104
MY endgame DonCoquixote May 2016 #105
Another loyalty oath post? That Guy 888 May 2016 #109
Have not heard yet of the "geen Party". Something new? 7wo7rees May 2016 #112
To win Laughing Mirror May 2016 #114
Spare us Amaril May 2016 #115
Please wait until the nominee is selected in reality... DeGreg May 2016 #117
Bernie is only following the example of one of the 2008's candidates. Care to guess which one? A Simple Game May 2016 #119
It will continue until all fake Democrat neoliberal scum are driven out of the Democratic party, Zorra May 2016 #121
Just asking this question... SHRED May 2016 #123
There was no question. LaydeeBug May 2016 #128
You make the error of assuming it's about Bernie, a person. It's not. Bernie is the beginning n/t arcane1 May 2016 #126
This democratic primary is between Hillary and Bernie...if this a movement, LaydeeBug May 2016 #129
Look guys... lmbradford May 2016 #133
No, it's not about Bernie's contributions. It's about the GENERAL ELECTION LaydeeBug May 2016 #136
I'd like to have someone who isnt an East Coast drug warrior weigh in on any cannabis plank. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #134
Here you go: pat_k May 2016 #140
I don't know what was Obamas end game? You know, most of the Bernie supporters supported LiberalArkie May 2016 #141
Obama was winning in delegates. Bernie is not. Hillary had the popular vote then LaydeeBug May 2016 #146
It's not a game. bjo59 May 2016 #144
Feel the math.... smiley May 2016 #145
She should drop out now so the party can unite! B Calm May 2016 #147
Math is math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #148
Bernie is still in the race and I fully support him. Last time I checked Hillary still B Calm May 2016 #150
There is no "end game" this is not a game. It is movement and we will continue to organize push for Vincardog May 2016 #154
Thank you!! jillan May 2016 #159
No Thank you we need your help. Vincardog May 2016 #218
Obama did not point out basic math. He said we all know the math. morningfog May 2016 #160
He did, as he referred to Bernie Sander's camp in the past tense... LaydeeBug May 2016 #163
That quote and what you attribute to Obama in the op are morningfog May 2016 #175
^ This lovemydog May 2016 #182
I prefer to let Bernie speak for himself to answer that question: wundermaus May 2016 #176
They would be a wonderful addition as a long term wing of the party The Second Stone May 2016 #179
To promote progressive ideas marlakay May 2016 #184
I want him back in the Senate asap bigtree May 2016 #185
Write-in when the time comes, and only voting for down-ticket dems with low connection to Clinton. VulgarPoet May 2016 #192
This is neither the "end" nor a "game" Vote2016 May 2016 #196
Facitious... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #198
You are not the least bit curious. This is just another OP telling Bernie supporters to shut up! Silver_Witch May 2016 #201
Not at all...but he is NOT going to win...there aren't enough delegates left LaydeeBug May 2016 #215
My end game is none of your business. If you cared I would engage you in conversation. Silver_Witch May 2016 #220
They'll probably "disappear" for four years ... NurseJackie May 2016 #205
The end game is to let the process run its course bigwillq May 2016 #214
A democratic Administration, Congress and government... Orsino May 2016 #217
How would ANYBODY know what the popular vote was at this point unless they didn't want to? MrMickeysMom May 2016 #222
i'm in California. My plan is to vote for Bernie Sanders (as is my right) and do JDPriestly May 2016 #226
End game? Hear's my thoughts. The movement will carry on regardless. KPN May 2016 #229
We will continue this fight as long as people wrongly blame Nader for Gore's loss... lame54 May 2016 #230
No one blames Nader for what was STOLEN from Gore... LaydeeBug May 2016 #242
The end game is obvious. Have Bernie bury Trump in the general election. imagine2015 May 2016 #241
Re: deepestblue May 2016 #247
Off-topic, but that is a really nice picture of the whitehouse hueymahl May 2016 #255
Here's the link to the white house image you requested, hueymahl deepestblue May 2016 #266
For me personally, it's hoping the spirit redStateBlueHeart May 2016 #250
To cast my vote for Bernie on June 7 in NM pandora nm May 2016 #251
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