2016 Postmortem

mmonk

(52,589 posts) Mon May 9, 2016, 05:31 PM May 2016

I'm not a right winger. What is the Democratic Party presently? [View all]

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Looks rightwing looking at the posts here.

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I'm not a right winger. What is the Democratic Party presently? [View all] mmonk May 2016 OP

It's solidly to the left, except to the fringe. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1

from the standpoint of a Republican conservative it looks that way Armstead May 2016 #40

Ha! Bravo! valerief May 2016 #58

Exactly, mustn't we reevaluate our party since it is is going through a right wing realignment? Dragonfli May 2016 #125

You said this for the rest us old democratic Democrats. I no longer leveymg May 2016 #162

Lulz TransitJohn May 2016 #95

I can draw a chart putting Bernie on Pluto. Your point? CrowCityDem May 2016 #114

I didn't draw it. TransitJohn May 2016 #121

It clearly isn't based on US politics. CrowCityDem May 2016 #130

True, they use their methodology worldwide, their methodology is both well respected and sound Dragonfli May 2016 #134

Communism is as far left as can be, last I knew, unless a further left Ideology has newly formed Dragonfli May 2016 #160

Actually the Dems are by any analysis nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #163

Only if you ignore that times change. Otherwise, Demand are still the party of racists. CrowCityDem May 2016 #166

Alas political theory does not change nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #185

I like the this one, myself... Bobbie Jo May 2016 #140

One must scale that chart to the context under discussion. As it is shown, one might put Sanders... yawnmaster May 2016 #129

This has nothing to do with the Overton window, but relies instead on the actual Definitions. Dragonfli May 2016 #148

but that would require making right wing center as some people seem to have a won't todo. hollysmom May 2016 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author hollysmom May 2016 #158

The level of Sanders' socialism was too much for Democrats to accept. That's all. Trust Buster May 2016 #2

If a moderate social democrat was "too much" BlindTiresias May 2016 #8

No impartial observer would define Sanders and his policies as "moderate". Trust Buster May 2016 #12

My Norwegian friends consider him a moderate. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #16

Comparing Norway to a behemoth like the U.S. is, well, I'll leave at that. Trust Buster May 2016 #19

That's ridiculous...the only reason that we can't have national health care and other... Human101948 May 2016 #32

Did I compare them? I simply provided a counterexample to your ludicrous claim JonLeibowitz May 2016 #78

Ya...but some guy in Norway says.... Cali_Democrat May 2016 #90

Well, not some guy, but a woman. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #100

This really betrays a deep ignorance on your part. BlindTiresias May 2016 #17

The significant majority of those registered as Democrats disagree with you. Trust Buster May 2016 #21

Informal Fallacy BlindTiresias May 2016 #22

No it isn't. There's a reason Sanders and his supporters dislike closed primaries. Because Sanders Trust Buster May 2016 #25

Yes, it was BlindTiresias May 2016 #35

You're not counting all the people... yallerdawg May 2016 #81

That does not make his argument logically consistent or charitable. BlindTiresias May 2016 #85

Sanders performs badly amongst registered Democrats or you'd have no problem with closed Trust Buster May 2016 #88

Are you actually doubling down? BlindTiresias May 2016 #92

That doesn't make what she said wrong..... TransitJohn May 2016 #102

Her opinion does not reflect the opinion of the majority of registered Democrats. Trust Buster May 2016 #105

That still doesn't make what she said wrong.... TransitJohn May 2016 #110

Sure, but any supporter of a failed campaign can say the same. Trust Buster May 2016 #113

And that still wouldn't bear on the veracity TransitJohn May 2016 #117

yes they would TransitJohn May 2016 #97

His policies are very moderate nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #143

He is not a moderate. He's a radical IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #145

Your lack of understanding of political science is not my issue nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #147

And your lack of votes is not my issue. Game, set, match - me.....LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #150

And the fact that you relish *your ignorance is your issue* nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #151

I just place that post in the sour grapes category. You insult because your candidate has lost. Trust Buster May 2016 #153

Well since I have had no candiate in this race nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #155

Your profanity is a clue that I'm done with this conversation. Trust Buster May 2016 #165

Or the fact that you were shown how ignorant you are nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #167

True ignorance is dependent on profanity out of a lack of anything intelligent to say IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #168

Actually this gets the price for most ironic post in months nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #175

Stop Digging, you are incredibly clueless and attempting to argue with one that is knowledgeable on Dragonfli May 2016 #169

I'm in good company. The majority of Democrats voted for Hillary because they believe the same. Trust Buster May 2016 #170

You mean most democrats are ignorant of really basic political theory? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #174

You definitely seem full of yourself. You've cornered the market on intelligence. Sad. Trust Buster May 2016 #176

Nope, but I could point to you some really good reads on basic political theory nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #179

I am going to be nice nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #173

I actually find Sanders supporters to be nasty and condescending. Nice is not their nature. Trust Buster May 2016 #178

I find partisans concescending and not nice, wehther they are democrats or republcians nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #180

Everyone thinks they're moderate. Few can see extremities close to home. CrowCityDem May 2016 #84

My opinion BlindTiresias May 2016 #87

Political party ideology is not that hard nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #149

That's why the Democratic Party isn't 'solidly to the left' as stated TransitJohn May 2016 #96

The posts here attacking Hillary are becoming indistinguishable from FOX News. YouDig May 2016 #3

This is true. Actor May 2016 #5

Fox News is calling the current incarnation of the Dem Party right-wing? Broward May 2016 #24

The only thing the Bernie supporters here seem to care about is the email server. YouDig May 2016 #26

Well, on this very thread some Bernie supporters are expressing concern that the Dem Party Broward May 2016 #29

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Anybody with half an understanding of political science nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author iandhr May 2016 #156

And the Democratic party has still moved RIGHT nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author iandhr May 2016 #172

And yet the party still have moved right nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #177

their definition of moving right Demsrule86 May 2016 #132

Ironically the former nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #154

That's patent bullshit...if you'd read people's posts Armstead May 2016 #44

OK, "only" was an exaggeration. The other big topic that Bernie supporters YouDig May 2016 #66

Wrong again...If you look through the primary many issues and topics have been raised Armstead May 2016 #69

Explain to me how anyone who cares about any issue could possibly even contemplate YouDig May 2016 #73

I'm in the category of "She gets my vote to stop Trump" but nothing else Armstead May 2016 #76

I'm glad to hear that. YouDig May 2016 #89

Obama is great -- but he is too closely aligned with a system with evil effects Armstead May 2016 #98

Yes, that's apparently today's meme Amaril May 2016 #64

Yeah, conspiracies about David Brock are also big here. Somehow the Bernie people YouDig May 2016 #71

LOL Amaril May 2016 #109

Very true, very sad. /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #182

Yeah, no shit TransitJohn May 2016 #99

Nailed it. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #118

From a poli sci perspective... they are correct nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #146

Hillary is becoming indistinguishable from a Fox News contributor... Human101948 May 2016 #36

.+1 840high May 2016 #94

You should know Demsrule86 May 2016 #131

Funny how many people joined in mid-April and all say the same thing. n/t arcane1 May 2016 #50

Quite liberal/progressive in my county. emulatorloo May 2016 #4

There does seem to be RW posters here and a lot of RW talking points, Thinkingabout May 2016 #6

Have you been reading your posts aloud? JonLeibowitz May 2016 #18

See you know talking about corruption from Wall Street TimPlo May 2016 #23

TimPlo—Some Hillary voters think it’s not a problem… CobaltBlue May 2016 #60

I guess none of them have worked a day in their life TimPlo May 2016 #65

Silly boy....The definition of right wing is anything that is critical of Clinton Armstead May 2016 #46

You should know Demsrule86 May 2016 #135

The "Hillary has herself to blame, has done this to herself" is STRAIGHT out of rightwing land Actor May 2016 #53

She chose to give speeches to shady Wall St firms and Big Corporations for huge paybacks... Armstead May 2016 #59

It's the truth. She did it - in 840high May 2016 #101

Exactly, everything is either Hillary's or Obama's fault. Thinkingabout May 2016 #133

Absolutely right Demsrule86 May 2016 #138

Dwight Eisenhower, Howard Baker, and Nelson Rockefeller were more liberal the Clinton Democrats Chasstev365 May 2016 #7

It's primary season lol griffi94 May 2016 #9

Let me correct your claim. PufPuf23 May 2016 #103

Eye of the beholder griffi94 May 2016 #112

yeah sure. eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #127

Bernie is not moderate Demsrule86 May 2016 #141

If you're a "Megachurch Mom", WELCOME HOME! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #10

Indeed BlindTiresias May 2016 #11

Which is worse? [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #61

The difference BlindTiresias May 2016 #68

It's right-wing for sure. Broward May 2016 #13

Complete bullshit. Both Hillary and Obama are liberal redstateblues May 2016 #37

In what ways are they liberal? Why are you so willing to compromise your principles? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #43

You are doing the bidding of the billionaire class whether you know it or not. Broward May 2016 #52

I think the Bernie Sanders group is all that's left of the "Democratic Party". pacalo May 2016 #14

Hey, we're not wanted in the Democratic Party anymore. Maedhros May 2016 #63

It just might happen. Lefties value integrity. pacalo May 2016 #74

The Democratic Party believes that it does not need to earn our votes anymore. Maedhros May 2016 #126

You are absolutely correct on both counts. pacalo May 2016 #128

Actually they still NEED your votes to win nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #159

I, and many others, plan on leaving the day after, if HRH gets the nomination. nt. DirtyHippyBastard May 2016 #91

I was already out. I only registered to vote for Bernie, then I will switch back. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #124

Ralph... is that you? nt BootinUp May 2016 #15

Brock... is that you? Art_from_Ark May 2016 #28

+1,000,000 ... Trajan May 2016 #181

Thats because many of the posts are. NCTraveler May 2016 #20

In all political parties... jamese777 May 2016 #27

Stop with the "extreme fringe" nonsense. Maedhros May 2016 #75

. Dragonfli May 2016 #184

mmonk—Your sense of rightwing is good; but, I don’t hang/post at the Hillary Group. CobaltBlue May 2016 #30

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When i see some of the ops trashing Hillary I notice how similar they are to right wing attacks on hrmjustin May 2016 #33

Easy to read chart Rass May 2016 #34

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false? hahaha Rass May 2016 #41

Bernie will endorse Hillary at the convention redstateblues May 2016 #48

That rates Hillary as a moderate authoritarian right winger... Human101948 May 2016 #39

Political compass BlindTiresias May 2016 #42

Ridiculous. You pulled that out of your ass. I've seen others that have Hillary redstateblues May 2016 #45

Political compass BlindTiresias May 2016 #47

So Bernie will endorse a RW Authoritarian? redstateblues May 2016 #55

You can message them BlindTiresias May 2016 #57

Don't count on that to happen. TransitJohn May 2016 #115

History lesson Rass May 2016 #62

The membership or the leadership? Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #49

The rank-and-file is becoming increasingly willing to be 'herded' into accepting conservative policy Maedhros May 2016 #77

Good point. Brand loyalty is mindless. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #83

That would be called "integrity." [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #123

It's Not Bush, unless it's privately calling Jeb Bush's big donors. Kall May 2016 #51

Let the de facto head of the Democratic Party explain it Art_from_Ark May 2016 #54

Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s, Go Vols May 2016 #108

Liberal on certain select social issues-- Conservative on Wealth and Power Armstead May 2016 #56

Well, they let the grassroots fight the really hard battles (e.g. LGBTQ rights), Maedhros May 2016 #79

You're correct....Maybe "more liberal than the GOP" would be more apt Armstead May 2016 #80

That's the crux of it. Maedhros May 2016 #122

The Democratic party (DNC) is libertarian AgingAmerican May 2016 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author iandhr May 2016 #70

Could it be that anyone to the right of Trotsky is a right winger? SwampG8r May 2016 #139

The leading candidates are center right. basselope May 2016 #82

It's pretty RW. Its ICON ( Clinton) is our Iron Maiden. Smarmie Doofus May 2016 #86

Very right wing. They favor torture, more war, more domestic spying, more privatization, Doctor_J May 2016 #93

Crowdpac Ratings jamese777 May 2016 #104

It is two wings of one bird. And the divide widens by the minute. floriduck May 2016 #106

Moderate wing of Republican party. ozone_man May 2016 #107

K&R Spot On! B Calm May 2016 #111

Blue Dogs are coming out. Downwinder May 2016 #116

There is disagreement over economics, but broad agreement on social policy Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 May 2016 #120

Far right of Ike's Republican party, somewhat right of Nixon's Republican party, unrecognizable to F Vote2016 May 2016 #136

The D Wing of the Corporatist Party. hobbit709 May 2016 #137

Answer: A Center-Left coalition... brooklynite May 2016 #142

It's a label slapped on almost anything that looks like it might procure a vote or donation. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #144

Republicans with different wedge issues. Sky Masterson May 2016 #164

I think you have figured it out. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #171

yep, a right wing shit show. elana i am May 2016 #183

Locking tammywammy May 2016 #186