2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary fans have convinced themselves that she is a progressive. You really have to willfully [View all]Vattel
(9,289 posts)Progressives don't support welfare reform. They don't want to keep marijuana use illegal. They don't support coups that remove a democratically elected president in Honduras. They don't believe in capital punishment. They are not cozy with Kissinger. Progressives don't want to punish immigrants who illegally cross a border because that is the only way they can feed their families. Progressives don't become pro-marriage rights in 2013. Progressives don't object to "parent 1" and "parent 2" replacing "father" and "mother" on official documents for the sake of same-sex parents. Progressives don't describe themselves as "against illegal immigrants." Progressives don't vote for the Patriot Act. Progressives don't support NSA programs that undermine privacy. Progressives don't expand fracking. Progressives do not vote for the Bankruptcy Bill. Progressives do not say that single-payer healthcare will never happen. Progressives don't praise the Reagans for their efforts to address AIDS. Progressives don't support the invasion Iraq. (No, she didn't merely vote for the IWR. She supported the invasion. On the floor of the Senate, she foolishly pushed all of Bush's bullshit talking points. On the eve of the war, she did not speak out against Bush's illegal ultimatum to Hussein. She implicitly endorsed it.)
Progressives are not hawks. (Besides supporting the invasion of Iraq, she pushed Obama for an even bigger troop increase in Afghanistan than he ultimately authorized. Worse than that, she pushed Obama to pursue violent regime change in Libya. She also refuses to recognize that Israel's bombing of Gaza was disproportionate, she voted against legislation to ban cluster bombs, she has rattled her sabre towards Iran for years, she supports a no fly zone in Syria and is apparently willing to thereby risk military engagement with Russia, and she supported violent regime change in Syria, urging Obama to arm Syrian rebels.)