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Dragonfli

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14. She hasn't had much of a "record of her positive fight for us, but I know much about someone who has
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:48 AM
May 2016
Sanders who has always caucused with the Democrats, he is more a Democrat than most in the party re issues he has a much longer, much stronger record of fighting for us positively

An independent in name only in many ways

He caucused with the Democrats for, 16 years in the United States House of Representatives, 10 years in the United States Senate;

where he served on many committees Representing the Democratic party such as the:

Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member)
Committee on Environment and Public Works
Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Subcommittee on Green Jobs and the New Economy
Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Energy
Subcommittee on National Parks
Subcommittee on Water and Power
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Subcommittee on Children and Families
Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging (Ranking Member)
Committee on Veterans' Affairs (chairman)

He has every right to expect respect from those he served with such loyalty and in so many capacities.
The Democratic party must consider him a true blue ally to have given him seats on so many committees.

He was also a co-founder of the Democratic Progressive caucus.

It appears to me the only one's that are offended by his former Independent status are all the Moderate Republicans that are far less honest and register as "Democrats" while voting for Republican policy, those "Democrats" are most often both conservative and liars

He has done a great many good things for the Democratic party that they could not take credit for without him!

The following is a list of every substantive bill and amendment Sanders sponsored from the floor of Congress that became law (substantive meaning legislation renaming post offices is not included). Many of the roll-call amendments he passed with majority approval — like limiting the federal government’s ability to spy on people’s library records — were removed from bills when the House and Senate negotiated over the final legislative text and did not become law.

Because the list is derived from Congress’ official database of floor actions, it does not include achievements like his insertion of funding for veterans health care into an Iraq war spending bill because that occurred off of the House floor while the bill was in conference. Nor does the list include what is perhaps his most significant achievement — providing health care to an additional 10 million mostly low-income Americans by getting Senate majority leader Harry Reid to add $11 billion in funding for community health centers that provide care regardless of a person’s ability to pay to the 2010 Affordable Care Act in exchange for Sanders rallying liberal Democrats who were considering voting against the bill once conservative Democrats removed the public option.

Those who mistakenly believe that a President Sanders would be powerless in the face of a hostile Republican Congress should bear in mind that he managed to pass these bills and amendments in spite of Republican control of both the House (1995-2006) and the presidency (2001-2008). Furthermore, it was Republicans in the House and Senate who compromised with him (not the other way around) on major veterans legislation in 2014. His original bill expanding services for veterans and fixing the scandal-ridden Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) cost $17.3 billion. The price tag of the final compromise bill? $16.3 billion.

H.R.4206 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act) enacted as S. 3312 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act).

H.Amdt. 98 to H.R. 665 (Victims of Justice Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 210 to H.R. 830 (Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 1203 to H.R. 3666 Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 1997

H.J.Res.129 enacted as S.J.Res.38 (A joint resolution granting the consent of Congress to the Vermont-New Hampshire Interstate Public Water Supply Compact)

H.Amdt.174 to H.R.1757 (Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998)

H.Amdt.267 to H.R.2160 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.289 to H.R.2266 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1998) -- National Guard Starbase program

H.Amdt.368 to H.R.2378 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1998) -- Prohibit funds for the U.S. Customs Office from being used to allow the importation into the U.S. any material mined, produced, or manufactured by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.388 to H.R.2267 (Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.569 to H.R.6 (Higher Education Amendments of 1998)

H.Amdt.614 to H.R.3694 (Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999) -- Reduce the intelligence budget for fiscal year 1999 by 5% with an exemption for the CIA Retirement and Disability Fund.

H.Amdt.626 to H.R.10 (Financial Services Act of 1998) -- Require the Comptroller General to report to Congress regarding the efficacy and benefits of uniformly limiting any commissions, fees, markups, or other costs incurred by customers in the acquisition of financial products.

H.Amdt.706 to H.R.4101 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Increase funding for nutrition programs for senior citizens by $10 million

H.Amdt.708 to H.R.4103 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Prohibit funding to be used to enter into or renew a contract with any company owned, or partially owned, by the People’s Republic of China or the People’s Liberation Army of the People’s Republic of China.

H.Amdt.724 to H.R.4104 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1999) enacted as H.R. 2490 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2000) -- National Archives and Records Administration improvements

H.Amdt.127 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000)

H.Amdt.136 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- national pilot program to promote agritourism

H.Amdt.258 to H.R.2466 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) enacted as H.R.3194 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2000) -- deficit reduction; and reduces fossil energy research and development funding

H.Amdt.442 to H.R.2684 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- health care services for veterans in rural areas

H.Amdt.791 to H.R.4577 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2001) -- (relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms)

H.Amdt.818 to H.R.4578 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2001) -- weatherization assistance and energy conservation programs and reduce fossil fuel energy research and development programs

H.Amdt.238 to H.R.2590 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2002) -- Prohibit the importation of goods made by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.376 to H.R.3061 (Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2002) -- relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms

H.Amdt.404 to H.R.3338 (Department of Defense and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Recovery from and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States Act, 2002) -- Provide $100 million for federally qualified community health centers.

H.Amdt.255 to H.R.2691 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Increase funding for weatherization assistance grants

H.Amdt.336 to H.R.2861 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) enacted as H.R.2673 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Prohibit the use of funds in the bill to implement any policy prohibiting the Directors of the Veterans Integrated Service Networks from conducting outreach or marketing to enroll new veterans within their respective networks.

S.Amdt.737 to H.R.1591 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans’ Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007) -- fund weatherization assistance program

S.Amdt.1515 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- Establish an energy efficiency and renewable energy worker training program

S.Amdt.1525 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- use of solar hot water heaters in certain Federal buildings

S.Amdt.4384 to H.R.3221 (Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008) -- Increase specially adapted housing benefits for disabled veterans.

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- re child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces

S.Amdt.2271 to H.R.2997 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2010) -- funds for the school community garden pilot program

S.Amdt.2601 to H.R.3326 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2010) -- veteran outreach and reintegration services

S.Amdt.3738 to S.3217 (Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010) -- let the American people know the names of the recipients of over $2 trillion in taxpayer assistance from the Federal Reserve System

S.Amdt.306 to H.R.1 (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) -- Require recipients of TARP funding to meet strict H-1B worker hiring standard to ensure non-displacement of U.S. workers

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- report to Congress on financial assistance for child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces.

S.Amdt.4280 to H.R.4899 (Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2010) -- make publicly available the contractor integrity performance database established under the Clean Contracting Act of 2008

S.2450 (Veterans’ Access to Care through Choice, Accountability, and Transparency Act of 2014) enacted as H.R.3230 (Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014) -- VA reform bill

S.893 (Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013) -- increase rates of veterans’ disability compensation, additional compensation for dependents, etc.

S.Amdt.2146 to S.1471 (Alicia Dawn Koehl Respect for National Cemeteries Act) – re interring the remains and honoring the memory of a person in a national cemetery

[font size="3" ; color="8B0000"]Also, compare her record to his perhaps you will gain an understanding of her right wing infiltration into the party[/font]

Your Right Wing meme appears to be that even with all his years of public service, a progressive like Bernie Sanders was too far to the left to accomplish anything, being a former Independent and all.

That one has to be able to find the buypartisan way, in other words, adopt the least offensive GOP legislation as your own if you wish to accomplish anything, if one is not a member of the Republican party itself.

The problem with this bullshit GOP meme is that it is completely false, he's actually one of the most effective members of Congress, passing bills, of all sizes and shapes, that have reshaped American policy on key issues like poverty, the environment and health care.

[center][font size=3"]The Amendment King[/font][/center]

....Congress is not known to be a progressive institution lately, to say the least. Over the past few decades, the House of Representatives was only controlled by the Democrats from 2007 to 2010, and a flood of corporate money has quieted the once-powerful progressive movement that passed legislation moving the country forward between the New Deal era and the Great Society. Yet, as difficult as it may be to believe, a socialist from Vermont is one of its most accomplished members. ....

snip

....Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:....


[font color="red"]Much more, but due to the three paragraph rule you will have to follow this link[/font]
I dare those that pretend the GOP meme is true and are spreading it for them, to read the article!

There are so many examples in fact that you really need to read the entire article as it completely dispels this current Right Wing myth that Bernie Sanders after all his time in Congress achieved almost nothing, when in fact he was literally one of the most effective members of Congress! Read the facts in the article itself, clearly the GOP is spreading lies about him, after all, who besides Rove and the GOP would use such lying sleazy bullshit tactics against someone that helped Democrats get as much progressive policy put into effect during his tenure?...


[font size="3"][center]Robert Reich, Clinton Secretary of Labor, on Bernie's effectiveness in Congress[/font][/center]



Lets Compare Hillary Clinton's commitment and "Democratic" values accomplished by way of comparison.

Not to say Hillary Clinton did not achieve some things during her six year hobby involved in legislating (the last two were spent campaigning and fundraising)

She managed to vote for the Patriot Act, for an illegal war, and even whip some votes with her passionate selling of the Bush/Cheney lies. (she deserves some credit for that,) and those of you that enjoy war should be and are rightfully quite proud of that.

As a Senator Clinton did get some things accomplished, Clinton sponsored three bills that became law: S.3145, S.3613, and S.1241. The first of these renamed a highway in New York state, the second renamed a post office in New York City, and the third established the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in Troy, New York and authorized funding to set the site up.

To be truly fair, she also tried to put an end to the epidemic of flag burning and ban some media, but these, her most favorite things were too hard for her to get done, she just couldn't get them passed, she may have lacked the chops to do it, but BUT SHE TRIED REAL HARD!

The United States Family Entertainment Protection Act (FEPA) was a bill introduced by Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and co-sponsored by Senators Joe Lieberman (D-CT), Tim Johnson (D-SD) and Evan Bayh (D-IN) on November 29, 2005. The bill called for a federal mandate enforcement of the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) ratings.

Unsuccessfully unfortunately for the more puritan among us, sigh, if only she were more effective at passing such laws, we would finally be safe from cluster bombs, eerr.. I mean f-bombs (she voted against ending the use of child killing cluster bombs, my "misspeak" or my bad, if you prefer) she likes cluster bombs, so much so that after some donations to very, very, special charity, she made sure as SoS to sell cluster bombs to those altruistic rulers of Saudi Arabia! She deserves credit for that!

The kids just love playing with those rather than video games.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/03/13/cluster-bombs-are-not-good-children-hillary

She is basically a moderate Republican that Registered as a Democrat
He was Basically an FDR Democrat that Registered as an Independent (likely because he did not want to be identified with the ever increasing Right Wing infiltration and taint of such an anti worker "modern" party).

Yet he still voted and enacted more Democratic amendments and laws than most DLC Democrats would even dream of or even want to (their priority instead since the early nineties being largely deregulation of banks, corporations and everything else under the sun, privatization of as much of the commons as possible, media consolidation and Corporatization, safety net shredding welfare destruction, and tough on mostly minority crimes involving possession of weed and other substances to grow the prison industrial complex beyond anything seen in even China or North Korea.
Drink up... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #1
Her campaign deserves a lifetime achievement award from the ADDY folks. CentralCoaster May 2016 #49
Effective for those with a more conservative brain. emsimon33 May 2016 #153
I get it. You just don't care. highprincipleswork May 2016 #2
I feel sorry for you because you are so misinformed about BreakfastClub May 2016 #3
Back at ya! highprincipleswork May 2016 #4
Here's a nice picture for you to look at bvf May 2016 #6
Did you have a point with that? Bobbie Jo May 2016 #21
With what? bvf May 2016 #22
With what? Bobbie Jo May 2016 #25
Yes. Are you? bvf May 2016 #157
Did you have a point with that post? Bobbie Jo May 2016 #161
You're repeating yourself. bvf May 2016 #166
And apparently you're having some difficultly Bobbie Jo May 2016 #171
;) sheshe2 May 2016 #173
What? bvf May 2016 #174
Jesus! What could she be thinking right then? dchill May 2016 #104
I don't know, bvf May 2016 #182
Maybe President of Soylent Green. dchill May 2016 #183
I notice you forgot to point out exactly what/where these alleged "inaccuracies" are. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #9
"...have no clue what is going on..." chervilant May 2016 #11
Your are the one misinformed, but I don't hate you for it. If such is true, you are the victim Dragonfli May 2016 #13
+1! n/t Chan790 May 2016 #18
I'm flying with you dragonfli . . . preach it! pdsimdars May 2016 #40
Well put! peace13 May 2016 #52
Damn you are good! MuseRider May 2016 #71
dragonfli, I will tell you of an experience I had with 6 psychologists during the 1996 campaign... Kip Humphrey May 2016 #93
I am not a psychologist ether, but have learned from layman's articles written by Pros describing Dragonfli May 2016 #134
. Kip Humphrey May 2016 #136
NPD is one of those things laundry_queen May 2016 #181
Lemme guess...these colleagues apcalc May 2016 #172
Thank you. While not an actual clinical analysis... dchill May 2016 #184
A very generous and thoughtful refutation! JudyM May 2016 #128
This right here is, unfortunately, the truth passiveporcupine May 2016 #141
If that is true then you shouldn't have any trouble coming up with a rebuttal cui bono May 2016 #16
Uh...same to you. Chan790 May 2016 #17
She did, after all, tell the bankers to "cut it out". Didn't actually DO anything about it, but did pdsimdars May 2016 #39
"You are misinformed (even if you're not) because I'm with her" whatchamacallit May 2016 #54
Please, explain it to us notadmblnd May 2016 #60
The answers you usually get to that question are she has said this or she has said that, she has Akicita May 2016 #92
Crickets more than likely- but I knew that when I asked the question. notadmblnd May 2016 #96
Clinton sponsored three bills that became law: S.3145, S.3613, and S.1241. The first of these Akicita May 2016 #98
Wow, must have been real tough to get a post office named notadmblnd May 2016 #106
Yes, and she did it all for every day Americans. Akicita May 2016 #107
I can personally vouch for the huge improvement it has made in my life notadmblnd May 2016 #109
I am so touched by these accomplishments that I am going right now to join the MOANERS FOR HILLARY Akicita May 2016 #111
When you do- please give me the link notadmblnd May 2016 #112
Fighting for us! n/t cloudbase May 2016 #137
What happened to fighting for every day Americans? She changed it. Akicita May 2016 #140
Now, now....Lets be fair. bvar22 May 2016 #149
What, exactly, is "misinformed" about this post? Arugula Latte May 2016 #81
Let me guess: you're "with her!" dchill May 2016 #105
Welcome back! Feel free to "Correct the Record" of this allegedly misinformed post. arcane1 May 2016 #110
Tool jack_krass May 2016 #125
Every word of that OP was the truth. Ken Burch May 2016 #139
You are the one that's brainwashed... Rockyj May 2016 #150
I agree apcalc May 2016 #152
Hmmmm...are you looking in the mirror while writing this? emsimon33 May 2016 #154
But, but she did vote for the Iraq War and she did push the lies about WMD, and she rhett o rick May 2016 #168
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #5
You're very welcome Uncle Joe 99th_Monkey May 2016 #7
Wonderful OP, thank you! I can't understand how you could write it then say you'll vote for her haikugal May 2016 #27
Agreed, haikugal. senz May 2016 #122
I make a huge distinction between "vote for" and "support" 99th_Monkey May 2016 #126
Ironic BootinUp May 2016 #8
She hasn't had much of a "record of her positive fight for us, but I know much about someone who has Dragonfli May 2016 #14
Hot Damn! Dragonfli, you're just owning in this thread! Chan790 May 2016 #19
Damn right he is! Art_from_Ark May 2016 #24
Can only echo this applause. Xyzse May 2016 #50
If only you knew how little formal education I received you would chuckle (I am self-educated) Dragonfli May 2016 #143
I'll try my best to shorten your post down to six words. GoldenThunder May 2016 #20
Required reading, every word. bvf May 2016 #23
THANK YOU!!!!!!!! vintx May 2016 #61
Your posts are. deathrind May 2016 #69
I wish you could bookmark & like post. Kittycat May 2016 #77
Sigh... So after 2 lifetimes in congress that's all he has done? You guys afirm the reasons why... uponit7771 May 2016 #78
2 lifetimes? Try 25 years. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #130
Yeah, you're right... nearly 3 lifetimes uponit7771 May 2016 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #94
...! KoKo May 2016 #138
Anything she advocated for publicly... TCJ70 May 2016 #41
Just like the OP said, blind to everything. pdsimdars May 2016 #43
Just to be clear 99th_Monkey May 2016 #118
I missed that, but thanks for posting it. I should have said "the author" instead of putting your pdsimdars May 2016 #129
No problemo. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #133
Wrong, she voted to give Bush a blank check. She knew that meant a lot more than inspections. farleftlib May 2016 #88
"There is a reason he is still a very popular Democrat." passiveporcupine May 2016 #147
I like the way Hillary put it recently BootinUp May 2016 #148
Most of the dems who still like Clinton passiveporcupine May 2016 #156
Most of the Dems are most of the Dems BootinUp May 2016 #158
It would have been cool if they'd gotten in the fight passiveporcupine May 2016 #162
Thats the same narrative I have seen since I got online here in 2003 BootinUp May 2016 #165
I'm sorry yoiu gave up. passiveporcupine May 2016 #167
Giving up in my view is ignoring political reality. nt BootinUp May 2016 #170
K & R AzDar May 2016 #10
"I'm with her" is a creepy slogan. nt Bonobo May 2016 #12
So is "Working for us" Art_from_Ark May 2016 #26
As opposed to "feel the bern?" Bobbie Jo May 2016 #28
Actually I never liked that either. nt Bonobo May 2016 #31
"feel the bern" ibegurpard May 2016 #53
"I'm with her" was concocted by an ad agency CoffeeCat May 2016 #56
I think "I'm with her" is an absolutely terrible slogan renate May 2016 #95
Meh, it's the creep factor. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #100
I'm withered Laughing Mirror May 2016 #32
or "I'm with herd" - nt Locrian May 2016 #33
That's what it boils down to Laughing Mirror May 2016 #36
Yes, from the inside out! nt peace13 May 2016 #62
Of course you would think that. JTFrog May 2016 #74
K&R Dragonfli May 2016 #15
K&R for the OP and Dragonfli's replies... nt. druidity33 May 2016 #29
+1 million JackInGreen May 2016 #30
K&R Spot On! B Calm May 2016 #34
I was pissed... And then my Modest Proposal meter started spiking. nt VulgarPoet May 2016 #35
Between madokie May 2016 #37
2008 put me over the top. peace13 May 2016 #57
Is that the pledge they all sign? Sounds like it. pdsimdars May 2016 #38
This is the best post I've read here in quite some time... TCJ70 May 2016 #42
The bow of the Titanic is pretty full! peace13 May 2016 #59
It doesn't matter does it? Well written op. EndElectoral May 2016 #44
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2016 #45
don't forget "I don't care about her massive legal liabilities, plummeting trust and approval MisterP May 2016 #46
I've been asking for reasons why to vote for Hillary... Octafish May 2016 #47
That is it in a nutshell. libtodeath May 2016 #48
it's crystal-clear: Hillary is Hillary, and therefore Hillary is not not-Hillary MisterP May 2016 #117
Boom! Best OP in a very long time. onecaliberal May 2016 #51
K&R And "Trudge Up The Hill". Because Republicans. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #55
Facts... deathrind May 2016 #58
Reading this OP and Dragonfli's responses is like being back on the old DU. vintx May 2016 #63
Exactly. I miss the days when we ALL thought Henry Kissinger was a war criminal, Arugula Latte May 2016 #86
this is so clearly the last word mooseprime May 2016 #64
Exactly. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #79
It was probably stolen by the person from whom I stole it, so yeah. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #115
I stopped at the second sentence, because it's false. Sparkly May 2016 #66
Sorry.. peace13 May 2016 #68
No she did not "sell the war." Sparkly May 2016 #75
Like I said, educate yourself. peace13 May 2016 #76
Take your own advice, please. Sparkly May 2016 #90
LMFAO: So HRC's vote for the Iraq war was actually a plea for Peace! BWUHAHAHAH Maybe she'll jack_krass May 2016 #146
Her idol Kissinger won a Nobel. ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #155
+1, the right on DU:P isn't interested in honest conversation about her record uponit7771 May 2016 #80
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #97
K&R sadoldgirl May 2016 #67
Excellent thread and discussion by you and Dragonfli notadmblnd May 2016 #70
Kickin' for the truth! Faux pas May 2016 #72
Oddly enough Zach Bulls appears to be a Bernie supporter radical noodle May 2016 #73
So, one must ask: why do you support Sec. Clinton? n/t xocet May 2016 #82
I've supported her for years radical noodle May 2016 #120
That is an interesting - if not circular - point of view. That war vote though.... xocet May 2016 #142
Do you truly think ELEANOR ROOSEVELT would be supporting Hillary?? nt Herman4747 May 2016 #164
Yes radical noodle May 2016 #175
Well then,let me encourage you to read this: Herman4747 May 2016 #178
Do you recognize satire, sarcasm, or parody? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #87
I do, but no one seemed to be taking it that way radical noodle May 2016 #119
It's frightening because this represents her supporters CoffeeCat May 2016 #83
Once again the Hillary robots SheilaT May 2016 #84
Yep, poor Hillary got duped by mean old w. BillZBubb May 2016 #131
Yes the contortionist's timmymoff May 2016 #85
Thanks for posting this, 99th_Monkey farleftlib May 2016 #89
Battered woman syndrome n/t davidlynch May 2016 #91
If ANYONE ELSE ran with her record.. they would have had the success of Jim Webb. basselope May 2016 #99
OCD.......... bkkyosemite May 2016 #101
A sad reckoning, indeed. Orsino May 2016 #102
Or... Ino May 2016 #103
K&R&bookmark JEB May 2016 #108
and let's not forget -It's Her turn azurnoir May 2016 #113
Excellent OP and all the additional information! nt. polly7 May 2016 #114
That bout sums it up Ferd Berfel May 2016 #116
Best OP, best thread, EVER. senz May 2016 #121
It succinctly states why I could never vote for her... Yurovsky May 2016 #124
This is a great OP pdsimdars May 2016 #123
I care about all those things that are true. Buzz Clik May 2016 #127
'mis-represented' ? BootinUp May 2016 #144
.. Buzz Clik May 2016 #145
What doesn't matter, passiveporcupine May 2016 #132
Recommended. You certainly do not monkey around on this post. eom guillaumeb May 2016 #151
K&effing-R berni_mccoy May 2016 #159
This thread is amazing Nightjock May 2016 #160
I know what you mean. ozone_man May 2016 #179
OUCH! Vote2016 May 2016 #163
None of that matters, no, because it's a load of horseshit. The cartoon is kind of amusing tho. nt ucrdem May 2016 #169
True to form, no specifics re alleged "inaccuracies", just snark & denial. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #176
Starts with a full out lie and after that Progressive dog May 2016 #177
This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone May 2016 #180
So are 350,000 dead Libyans and Syrians... autorank May 2016 #185
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