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2016 Postmortem

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Mon May 16, 2016, 10:57 PM May 2016

There was no justification for any hardline tactics in support of HRC at the NV Dem convention. [View all]

Even if delegation control had flipped from HRC to Bernie, it wasn't going to make any significant difference in how the overall nominating contest played out.

And there was no reason for anyone to go in and flip the voter registration of those 64 Sanders delegates and use the involuntary flipping as a justification for de-credentialing them.

It simply wasn't worth whatever was gained, and it wasn't worth causing the ugliness and the bitter taste in the mouths of young progressive activists.

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False. "Everyone gets a trophy" doesn't apply to delegate math. That's not how the real world works. Kang Colby May 2016 #1
There was no justification for ruling against the Sanders side on floor votes Ken Burch May 2016 #4
Why do you say that? Do you believe it's true? Kang Colby May 2016 #8
The Sander supporters WERE registered Dems...they had not changed their registrations. Ken Burch May 2016 #17
So the Sanders' reps on the Credential Committee were in cahoots LiberalFighter May 2016 #23
The Sander's reps who were denied admittance and couldn't get past the armed guards? Those reps? Vincardog May 2016 #45
Where are you getting that? truedelphi May 2016 #48
At least one did auntpurl May 2016 #73
Clinton corruption will catch up with her. They are arrogant to us at their peril. rhett o rick May 2016 #55
Authoritarians gotta rule. nt grasswire May 2016 #46
The party should follow its own rules. Ash_F May 2016 #27
I agree, and the rules were followed. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #29
Nope Ash_F May 2016 #30
Please cite line and verse where there was a deviation from party rules. Kang Colby May 2016 #32
I'll link you to someone who knows better than you Ash_F May 2016 #34
That's not specific. You can't offer a floor motion if you are ineligible. I'm not going to explain Kang Colby May 2016 #38
I will take the congressman's account over random internet poster. Thank you Ash_F May 2016 #39
Why? Google the rules or ask a Nevada party official to provide you with the handbook. Kang Colby May 2016 #41
When you give a floor vote, there has to be a clear majority Ash_F May 2016 #43
You can't vote on floor motions if you are ineligible. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #71
Everyone in the room was "deemed" eligible Ash_F May 2016 #75
"Everyone gets a trophy" is more right-wing language. frylock May 2016 #82
I just don't see why the Clinton campaign would do that.... Txbluedog May 2016 #2
Of course Clinton wouldn't. She has to be pure as snow called, accused on everything. Real or not. N seabeyond May 2016 #14
hahahahahahahahahahaha! grasswire May 2016 #47
That's exactly what happend. They had the nerve to try and change the rules on the fly via a floor Kang Colby May 2016 #40
It wasn't "hardline tactics". It wasn't "chaos". winter is coming May 2016 #3
The Grand Disenfranchisement Primary marches on...lockstep. nt silvershadow May 2016 #59
It must have been worth something... dchill May 2016 #5
the "ugliness and bitterness" were personal behavioral choices by the not that young msongs May 2016 #6
There was no reason for the convention to be run arrogantly. Ken Burch May 2016 #13
I agree with you pmorlan1 May 2016 #42
it comes from the top grasswire May 2016 #76
I can't believe these are fellow democrats sandyshoes17 May 2016 #79
I'm with you pmorlan1 May 2016 #80
It's worth it for them to establish the principal of literally dictatorship in the Democratic Party Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #7
Dictatorship involves breaking the rules. LiberalFighter May 2016 #26
No it doesn't. Dictators love rules. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #36
All I know is I will be at the Million Person March, in Philly truedelphi May 2016 #49
Your dead body? Codeine May 2016 #77
Actually it was probably "worth it" to HRC: For them, it's a three-fer. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #9
smash mouth politics, Brock -- Blumenthal style. nt grasswire May 2016 #50
The first primary powered by Caterpillar. :( (No offense to CAT). nt silvershadow May 2016 #60
But it will not at all change the way Karmic Retribution will come for Hillary. truedelphi May 2016 #52
I like how you think re the Karmic Retribution. Cool. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #62
It's really not me - it's the people I hang with truedelphi May 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #10
No, you won't. NuclearDem May 2016 #19
Ever the victim. NuclearDem May 2016 #11
There was protest, not a riot, and the protest happened only after provocation, Ken Burch May 2016 #15
No, it was a riot. NuclearDem May 2016 #20
There was no riot AgingAmerican May 2016 #56
All very reminiscent of that famous truedelphi May 2016 #66
Please, give proof or video for your accusations! sadoldgirl May 2016 #24
Put up video of a 'riot or quit your smears. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #35
Wah! Did someone beat Hillary to the victim status? nt grasswire May 2016 #51
But it is worth stating for a fact those registrations were flipped when you damn well do not know! seabeyond May 2016 #12
Those people had all registered as Democrats for the caucuses. NONE had changed their registrations Ken Burch May 2016 #16
We had one state he did saying he hadnt realized he need to be registered Dem for this. seabeyond May 2016 #21
You're categorically wrong about that. Codeine May 2016 #78
Nobody "flipped"any voter registrations. They weren't Democrats, and they got caught. ucrdem May 2016 #18
They were registered voters from Nevada. There was nothing illicit going on. Ken Burch May 2016 #22
Were they registered Democrats? No. Who were they then? Who recruited them how? ucrdem May 2016 #25
They were elected delegates. You're making it sound like some sort of conspiracy was afoot. Ken Burch May 2016 #33
Nobody "recruited" them. They were registered voters(registered Dems)who support Bernie Ken Burch May 2016 #54
They were there because they were delegates AgingAmerican May 2016 #57
But they weren't Democrats. That's cheating. And they got caught. nt ucrdem May 2016 #68
Have you asked Alex Jones? frylock May 2016 #83
The HRC supporters know the truth, but they sadoldgirl May 2016 #28
LOL, yes we do, and it isn't pretty. ucrdem May 2016 #31
All that was accomplished Saturday night was more Bernie supporters jillan May 2016 #37
Nevada was purple. kiva May 2016 #61
Some of this stuff reminds me a bit of the Watergate break-in Jarqui May 2016 #44
IF you cant properly register MFM008 May 2016 #53
Exactly! ContinentalOp May 2016 #58
HRC WON THE CAUCUS IN FEBRUARY. Hekate May 2016 #64
Then didn't Sanders win the second step in the process in April? 2cannan May 2016 #85
I'll tell you exactly what's going on. Baiting. hellofromreddit May 2016 #65
And to guarantee it goes over, seed your audience with plants. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #67
Next thing you know TheFarS1de May 2016 #72
Yes, the standard smear. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #74
A calm, complete video explanation of what happened in Nevada. senz May 2016 #69
Given that the credentials committee was staffed by both... joshcryer May 2016 #70
This young Hillary voter agrees with you: dana_b May 2016 #81
Good for her. It shows character. n/t. Ken Burch May 2016 #84
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