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sofa king

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110. There is another possibility.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:01 PM
Nov 2012

So it's the eve of the election and a new patch is frantically distributed in the most important tossup state, Ohio. Nothing new here, except for one BIG thing.

Consider the fact that in recent days the Ohio polls have moved outside of the margin of error in favor of President Obama. He's now five points ahead and his lead is growing, while the MOE of the polls is usually around 2.5 to 4 percent.

That means that the election in Ohio is now no longer close enough to steal with any degree of plausibility. A divergence in favor of Romney would be easily identified and investigated.

So... what if the voting machines in Ohio were already programmed to throw the election to Romney, and now panicked election thieves are desperately trying to undo the fix so that they don't spend years in pound-me-in-the-ass prison?

Last night, before I saw this discussion, I opined that the same thing may be about to happen in Virginia, as the President's growing support is about to pull him out of a statistical tie by the end of the week. I suggested that if that were the case we might see a rash of emergency updates precisely like these going out in Ohio as election workers in fear for their freedom suddenly attempt to reverse machines that are already programmed to steal it for Romney. The truly damning circumstantial evidence would be emergency updates across multiple makes of voting machines--Virginia uses many different kinds.

As I think about it more, I am beginning to wonder if two different and contradictory forms of election manipulation are at work, and now threaten to expose the entire operation.

Some time back I wrote here that I expected to see Romney's imaginary "surge" evaporate about a month out from the elections. I felt that the media and pollsters have a professional and financial interest in keeping the race tighter than it actually is. A closer race increases viewers and readers, attracts more money and sells more ad time and space. Those with an actual partisan interest know that fake momentum can, over time, build actual momentum as run-with-the-herd types switch allegiance to the fellow who looks like he is going to win.

But the pollsters have a second, much larger interest in calling it straight in the all-important day-before polls. If their final calls are off, the pollster stands to lose out on the next general election revenue stream--who pays attention to Zogby anymore after he famously blew the call in '04? But everyone reads Nate Silver's blog, because he nailed it in '08.

So, I concluded, the pollsters were going to "walk back" the polls to the true numbers (in favor of the President) so that they could make an accurate call just before the election--exactly as Rasmussen did from October to November in '08.

But that didn't happen this time.

So... what if the voting machine thieves were taking the pollsters at their word, and now they are seeing the polls suddenly shift and they are realizing that someone else's election manipulation threatens to expose their own work? They would frantically scramble to undo the fix, is what I think they would do, and it looks to me as if that is just what they are doing in Ohio.

But keep in mind that I was wrong about my first guess, and there is no reason to think that this second one is any more credible than the first. I'll say this for sure: Mitt Romney does not give a shit if his underlings are caught stealing the election, as long as he gets in.

Here it goes again nt postulater Oct 2012 #1
du rec nt limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #2
WE L0SE OHIO! elleng Oct 2012 #3
If The Obama Campaign Monitors DU - Please Take This Seriously cantbeserious Oct 2012 #4
Meaning what? elleng Oct 2012 #5
Meaning - I Have Watched Other Democrats Not Fight When Vote Fixing Was Obvious cantbeserious Oct 2012 #11
So have I. elleng Oct 2012 #15
Again - anything posted on DU is really only seen by diehard Democrats. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #77
LOL I'm sure Obama is just sitting back fujiyama Nov 2012 #85
I will not take this bullshit I will fight these assholes rbrnmw Oct 2012 #6
If you want to help Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #7
I am already working in Perry County with GOTV rbrnmw Oct 2012 #8
What can you do? What can 'monitors' do, in fact? elleng Oct 2012 #17
Not to say monitors aren't an important job, but how do monitor the tabulators? CrispyQ Oct 2012 #26
We have access Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #39
Do those figures get fed upstream to another tabulator? CrispyQ Oct 2012 #44
Columbus Ohio Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #50
So many dirty tricks . . . CrispyQ Oct 2012 #61
Why do I have to ask what's SOS ? Are your fingers that lazy to type a little? xtraxritical Nov 2012 #79
A little? .99center Nov 2012 #87
My question was stated politely, your ad hominim attack proves you are the "jerk". xtraxritical Nov 2012 #101
Context + Google = Solution CrispyQ Nov 2012 #98
And how do you monitor what's going on in the tabulators? drm604 Oct 2012 #52
There is a very good chance Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #62
Such as? drm604 Nov 2012 #90
Check out this film to learn the full horror of OHIO stolen votes 2004. Democratopia Oct 2012 #9
Seeing Andy was very hard I'm sure for many of us. He doesn't want us to give up. juajen Nov 2012 #136
It's WAY past time to eliminate the machines xfundy Oct 2012 #10
No, it's not too late to employ the safest system to ensure elections aren't Democratopia Oct 2012 #25
Just ask Max Cleland and Roy Barnes brer cat Oct 2012 #12
Of course, they're going to steal Ohio. Who's going to stop them???? nt valerief Oct 2012 #13
The same people that stopped them in 2008 Floyd_Gondolli Oct 2012 #28
They didn't want it in 2008. nt valerief Nov 2012 #109
Keep coveting the struggle Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #111
I don't understand your point other than "faith". nt valerief Nov 2012 #127
Yep. And why haven't Democrats in power been vigorously fighting black box voting for the past kath Nov 2012 #148
Someone needs to get ahold of one of those machines asap flamingdem Oct 2012 #14
And so what happens when the Republicans try to steal Ohio? Marmitist Oct 2012 #16
K&R. I wonder what this patch was supposed to "fix". pa28 Oct 2012 #18
Dang it! I was feeling so positive Obama would win Ohio! JohnA1 Oct 2012 #19
I went to college with Fitrakis & he was one of my DH's good friends. He's a catbyte Oct 2012 #20
This just has to get out there. It is very important. KaryninMiami Oct 2012 #21
They do not care. Obama had 4 years to appoint epople to the EAC, the overseer of these machines. robinlynne Oct 2012 #51
But WE need to care- this is our country - fair elections are our right KaryninMiami Oct 2012 #57
Agreed! robinlynne Oct 2012 #60
Fuck. NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #22
Start the printing presses SCVDem Oct 2012 #23
"Voting machine swaps Obama for Romney" PoliticAverse Oct 2012 #24
You cannot hold an elections like that where votes don't matter. Democratopia Oct 2012 #34
It isn't going to matter if Romney loses votes to "bad" software, he is still going to lose pediatricmedic Oct 2012 #42
Patch Romney, the sixth son of Mitt Blue Owl Oct 2012 #27
There goes Ohio. EC Oct 2012 #29
The right wingers where my husband works are hoping for an electoral college split. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #58
You know this is old news? Happened in 2004...relax demwing Oct 2012 #30
Why are they implying that they just got the contract? flamingdem Oct 2012 #31
the op is claiming that "it's happening again" demwing Oct 2012 #47
Please read the response that was written to my question to you below flamingdem Oct 2012 #69
There was a repuke at the SOS desk in '04. Remember Ken 'Hackwell'? Doremus Oct 2012 #49
The contract with Election Systems and Software is signed Sept 2012 LeftInTX Nov 2012 #82
WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? demwing Oct 2012 #32
Did you download the contract? It says 2013, please explain what you are viewing n/t flamingdem Oct 2012 #33
DID YOU REREAD YET? PLEASE DO SO AND REVISE YOUR POST - THIS IS BREAKING NEWS flamingdem Oct 2012 #36
The contract linked and the page cited demwing Oct 2012 #43
You're saying that you're sure what the patch mentioned does? I thought it's part of an update flamingdem Oct 2012 #56
Nobody knows what this software does. Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #64
Thank you. This helps me understand why Ohio Senator Nina Turner flamingdem Oct 2012 #67
With one exception Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #70
This sounds crazy considering the history of Ohio and voting machines flamingdem Oct 2012 #71
The sad truth is Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #73
But you might need a hacker to figure out what they set up in those machines flamingdem Nov 2012 #76
posting from phone right now demwing Nov 2012 #91
Obviously, if they were installing code to rig the vote, the contract wouldn't say that. drm604 Nov 2012 #94
the OP has the burden of proof demwing Nov 2012 #96
No. Not when it comes to the very basis of our Democracy. drm604 Nov 2012 #108
relax debbie wasserman say elections stealing by republicans is just a crazy conspiracy theory leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #35
Along with the 'kill list'... n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2012 #37
Someone who gets it NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #139
i almost destroyed my ipod out of frustration when i heard that. she chuckled when she said leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #142
They are so busted this time. reusrename Oct 2012 #38
You can see so many transparent attempts to create a scenario to back and fill flamingdem Oct 2012 #40
How are they busted? Flipper999 Oct 2012 #41
It has been frustrating. reusrename Nov 2012 #118
Yep, Democrats by and large have gone right along with this shit. kath Nov 2012 #149
Eric Holder chuckstevens Oct 2012 #45
The Obama campaign will not let this happen. DCBob Oct 2012 #46
If we heard about this you know they have budkin Oct 2012 #74
E Voting is evil SHRED Oct 2012 #48
where's the injunctions to shut them down. Historic NY Oct 2012 #53
Legal research Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #54
Great Thanks. Historic NY Oct 2012 #72
Please report this to the DOJ ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #55
AND someone should check all phone communications between the Romney campaign... ancianita Oct 2012 #59
I'm a Paul Revere For This Election. Please Join Me!!! triplepoint Oct 2012 #63
Why should we question our elections? SCVDem Oct 2012 #65
I wonder if Tagg Romney's H.I.G. Capital (Hart Intercivic) is involved. Snarkoleptic Oct 2012 #66
We have no information Columbus Free Press Oct 2012 #68
Bump. silvershadow Oct 2012 #75
Someone should be bringing an emergency lawsuit to Federal court. nt pnwmom Nov 2012 #78
It's time for the Justice Department to step in...they have judicial backing. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #80
We may yet Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #86
K&R! octoberlib Nov 2012 #81
Only in America is this type of thing allowed TroyD Nov 2012 #83
I just googled ES&S. None of it's good. octoberlib Nov 2012 #84
Please keep this kicked and share everywhere KaryninMiami Nov 2012 #88
K & R ancianita Nov 2012 #97
That article jumps context from 2012 to 2004 to 2012 Kolesar Nov 2012 #89
exactly...why is that? demwing Nov 2012 #92
Two authors, maybe...eom Kolesar Nov 2012 #95
The Free Press Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #103
which proves buttkiss demwing Nov 2012 #104
Is this the Godwin's law of DU? Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #105
I totally get it - It's easier to discredit an anonymous poster than prove your claims demwing Nov 2012 #106
You do realize Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #107
You may be confused demwing Nov 2012 #112
Stop with the obfuscation Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #115
I'M obfuscating? LOL demwing Nov 2012 #116
Okay... we are going to do this really slowly now Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #119
You can go any speed you like, you're still wrong demwing Nov 2012 #120
Who is paying you? Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #122
Does being snarky make you feel better? Have at it hoss! demwing Nov 2012 #123
I did Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #124
Wrong again ... demwing Nov 2012 #125
In other words Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #126
You use "other words" demwing Nov 2012 #130
Multiple issues.... Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #131
and you STILL have no defense demwing Nov 2012 #133
Hold on a sec there buddy Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #138
If you have other evidence I'd be glad to see it demwing Nov 2012 #140
It's in a new thread Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #141
Right (sigh) demwing Nov 2012 #143
The idea is to gather and present sufficient evidence Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #144
wait wait... demwing Nov 2012 #145
Welcome to DU Bob Coyotl Nov 2012 #93
Thread Bookmarked demwing Nov 2012 #99
Kickski Snarkoleptic Nov 2012 #100
k&r crazylikafox Nov 2012 #102
There is another possibility. sofa king Nov 2012 #110
I sent this article to David Shuster of Take Action News octoberlib Nov 2012 #113
Good! n/t flamingdem Nov 2012 #114
I wonder what they'll say the patches were for. o_O nt cecilfirefox Nov 2012 #117
you don't have to wonder demwing Nov 2012 #121
It is NOT tin foil. reusrename Nov 2012 #128
This guy Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #129
Right... demwing Nov 2012 #134
thanks reusrename Nov 2012 #135
What this patch is purported to do druidity33 Nov 2012 #132
It's Deja Vu all over again. 2004 style BadGimp Nov 2012 #137
Why isn't there a lawsuit over this already in the works? begin_within Nov 2012 #146
K&R AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #147
Jon Husted is the most corrupt official in the country Hawaii Hiker Nov 2012 #150
Good gawd. Get the pitchforks! lonestarnot Nov 2012 #151
Oh wow, we won Ohio! demwing Nov 2012 #152
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