2016 Postmortem

upaloopa

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20. Here is what I don't get. Just about every negative outcome you mention is as a result of something

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:59 PM

May 2016

you project onto Hillary.

I would think if you want positive change you would make sure we don't lose the progress that President Obama has accomplished.

I would assume you would make it your duty to see that the Democratic nominee is elected.

You sure as hell will not see any progressive change if you let Trump put judges on the SCOTUS. They will remain on the bench long after he is gone so there will be no revolution because he was such a bad president.

So all the micro things you talk about are not worth shit if in the macro view we lose the power we have.

Rather than blame Hillary for what ever negative outcomes there could be, you should help to elect her, get those millions of millennials to join the Democratic party and work on your revolution from within the party. Start locally and elect your revolution candidates there and move up.

Keep pushing Congress to pass laws that you want to see put into place. Hillary will sign them.

If you keep on the path you are on your revolution will fizzle out after November.

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Bernie's campaign has gone completely off the rails ... [View all] salinsky May 2016 OP

Bernie's followers are political novices and have no idea about rules in place for years tonyt53 May 2016 #1

Some are, many are not. Yes, some are very new to this all and believe Actor May 2016 #2

Agree with every word in your post. NCTraveler May 2016 #34

It's time. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #3

It's not about dropping out ... salinsky May 2016 #21

Difficult to reason with people who think using Molotov cocktails is a rational political tactic. baldguy May 2016 #78

You're right ... salinsky May 2016 #80

Do the Democrats in congress need to go too? They had a melt down today. notadmblnd May 2016 #76

Yeah, right. That's exactly the same thing. brush May 2016 #83

yelling and booing notadmblnd May 2016 #87

Good post. auntpurl May 2016 #4

I do too ... salinsky May 2016 #10

I'll believe that workinclasszero May 2016 #35

Well said, trying to derail the DNC is not progressive but a cheering squad for the GOP. Thinkingabout May 2016 #5

You know what really isn't Progressive? liberalnarb May 2016 #33

Taking political hostages when you don't get your way ... salinsky May 2016 #48

You sound mad enough to throw a chair. scscholar May 2016 #54

That's real mature. liberalnarb May 2016 #75

If Trump wins creeksneakers2 May 2016 #58

If Trump wins lapfog_1 May 2016 #77

It is nothing but an ego trip. nt arely staircase May 2016 #6

An ego trip you say? liberalnarb May 2016 #37

Yes. A twenty year ego trip for Hillary. Who stands for nothing. reformist2 May 2016 #63

This is why you have to worry about these guys BeyondGeography May 2016 #7

Dismiss Bernie in that way and you will lose a lot of votes that Hillary needs in November. JDPriestly May 2016 #16

This won't be complicated BeyondGeography May 2016 #22

Sorry. It's not going to work that way this time. JDPriestly May 2016 #30

Your tone is unrealistic...losers don't dictate, and Bernie is going to lose BeyondGeography May 2016 #36

Your tone shows you don't give a shit who wins in November Scootaloo May 2016 #59

What do you want, a hug? BeyondGeography May 2016 #61

No. I want the Democratic nominee to pay attention to what nearly half the party is saying. Scootaloo May 2016 #67

More persecution fantasies creeksneakers2 May 2016 #65

I hope she does. Scootaloo May 2016 #68

"Hillary is not good at strategy" workinclasszero May 2016 #38

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #40

Yeah.. What's the matter with her...Wanting to be "Queen"! Doesn't she understand that skylucy May 2016 #41

Bingo workinclasszero May 2016 #43

Results... Major Nikon May 2016 #50

"I bet if she was an old white male that wouldn't be the case." Scootaloo May 2016 #62

The BoB movement exemplifies white privilege ... nt salinsky May 2016 #69

As does voting for Hillary Clinton Scootaloo May 2016 #73

Is that why she's overwhelmingly getting the minority vote? ... nt salinsky May 2016 #74

You assume that minorities won't vote for someone with extreme white privilege. Scootaloo May 2016 #81

Hahahaha ... well played ... it's astounding that your favored candidate is losing ... nt salinsky May 2016 #82

Well someone had to. Scootaloo May 2016 #86

Two peas in a pod then (not), so the one with the most votes and delegates wins. Not rocket science. brush May 2016 #85

Doesn't change the fact of Clinton's overwhelming white privilege. Scootaloo May 2016 #88

Sour grapes that POCs don't vote for Sanders? brush May 2016 #90

Nope. Just making note of a feature of Hillary Clinton. Does that upset you? Scootaloo May 2016 #91

Doesn't upset me if you think they both benefit from white privilege. All white people do. brush May 2016 #92

Some learn to. Others don't have to and aren't expected to Scootaloo May 2016 #93

Very well said. guillaumeb May 2016 #32

After the convention creeksneakers2 May 2016 #60

+1 ... nt salinsky May 2016 #71

I'm active in the Sanders volunteer campaign. JDPriestly May 2016 #8

IMO the DNC and Establishment "Democrats" would rather lose to trump than win with Bernie. Vincardog May 2016 #12

Yep ... salinsky May 2016 #18

Since there is no 'win with Bernie" , there is no need to make that silly claim. riversedge May 2016 #29

Here is what I don't get. Just about every negative outcome you mention is as a result of something upaloopa May 2016 #20

Everybody Calm Down jamese777 May 2016 #9

No we need to STAND UP and demand that our party represent US not the corporations NOW. Vincardog May 2016 #13

Isn't that what you've been doing? Sanders is behind though so now what? brush May 2016 #89

Hi Jamese---I appreciate and welcome your post. I can tell this isn't your first rodeo. I'm a skylucy May 2016 #45

Thoughtful post ... salinsky May 2016 #46

No this is not the normal. It would be foolish to believe that AuntPatsy May 2016 #79

Right now I don't know what Sanders wants. He says he will work to keep Trump form becoming upaloopa May 2016 #11

Let's let CA vote, shall we? ProfessorPlum May 2016 #14

There is nothong you or I can do to stop people voting in CA. I voted in CA last week. Ballots upaloopa May 2016 #23

Working to keep Trump from becoming President ... salinsky May 2016 #49

Are you still mad about the chairs being thrown around? mindwalker_i May 2016 #15

When you center your campaign around your own purported rectitude, ... salinsky May 2016 #17

The patent dishonesty has been demonstrated by the HRC campaign. You calling it a fault Vincardog May 2016 #24

I'm sorry, I guess I was unclear ... salinsky May 2016 #25

Please continue and enumerate the "patent dishonesty of the Sanders campaign " Vincardog May 2016 #28

He has no path to the nomination ... salinsky May 2016 #31

Has Hillary got 2382 Pledged delegates? If so it is over if not it is not over. It's not. Vincardog May 2016 #39

"it is not over. It's not." ... yes, yes, in a world of ... salinsky May 2016 #47

Come here... nc4bo May 2016 #19

Every single state Sanders has lost... NCTraveler May 2016 #26

Bernie needs to change his narrative because the longer he pretends that the ultimate result ... salinsky May 2016 #51

Agree with every word. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #55

Joshy boy has SDS cali May 2016 #27

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #42

Absolutely overbearing and condescending... k8conant May 2016 #44

Reliably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme 132 cantbeserious May 2016 #52

Someone needs to tell Bernie that you don't announce an attack. It gives everyone time to talk eastwestdem May 2016 #53

Bernie's camp is fine, but David Brock's plan isn't quite firing on all cylinders n/t davidlynch May 2016 #56

It's an op-ed citing an op-ed that cites nothing. Scootaloo May 2016 #57

At this point, reasonable people are finding Bernie's campaign embarrassing. barrow-wight May 2016 #64

If one hasn't actually read Bernie's campaign statements this article might be believable. imagine2015 May 2016 #66

So, now TPM is part of "the smear and swiftboating political operation"?? salinsky May 2016 #72

Hillary has been off the rails for awhile... Agony May 2016 #70

The last paragraph....... Beacool May 2016 #84

Translation: Hillary campaign has gone off the rails AgingAmerican May 2016 #94