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2016 Postmortem

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Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:03 PM Jun 2016

Folks the US can't shut down all political disagreement for 8 years simply because.... [View all]

.....Hillary Clinton is female.

Not gonna happen. If she wants the job, she -- and her supporters -- are gonna have to take the lumps that go with the job.

She will not live in a gender encased bubble if she gets into the WH. The GOP is gonna go after her. Independents and Democrats who disagree with her are gonna go after her.

There will be reasoned criticism. There will also be things said that are not always nice.

There will be sexist things said. There will also be critical things said that are not based in sexism.

If she sells us out with one or more policy, she does not get a free pass, just because we're afraid to say something that might have some vague connotation of gender in somebody's mind.

Sorry, but equality, means accepting the crap along with the benefits of equality.

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'If she sells us out with one or more policy, she does not get a free pass, elleng Jun 2016 #1
"IF she sells us out..." No ifs LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #126
But you will get to complain about it so what's the problem? HUGE sarcasm. Skwmom Jun 2016 #128
She's the worst type of politician there is farleftlib Jun 2016 #2
Clinton knows who the real adversaries to progress are Zorro Jun 2016 #65
Trump is worse than HRC lancer78 Jun 2016 #93
I don't think even their SCOTUS pics would be all that different. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #102
I disagree lancer78 Jun 2016 #104
Trump is also a racist and a misogynist. thucythucy Jun 2016 #130
She is the lancer78 Jun 2016 #68
Only BSS say that. It's a red herring redstateblues Jun 2016 #85
+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #116
Clinton has faced sexism her entire life and preserved. How fucking condescending can you be. seabeyond Jun 2016 #3
Call it condescending if you want but it's the truth Armstead Jun 2016 #5
In order for a black, women, gay to run, they must never challenge bigotry? Sure makes it comfy for seabeyond Jun 2016 #8
I might not always agree with you but you expressed exactly what I wished I had..... AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #58
Noone can be called smart lancer78 Jun 2016 #69
do you think you're saying anything that any Clinton supporter doesn't know? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #9
No insight....I'm simply reacting to some of the nonsense being spouted Armstead Jun 2016 #12
no, of course not. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17
I think that was inappropriate for him to say Armstead Jun 2016 #30
This woman agrees that Hillary Clinton is unqualified. 60 years a feminist woman. It makes me happy GuestCheck Jun 2016 #67
You have an odd definition of unqualified nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #70
Here is one of my grandnieces definitions GuestCheck Jun 2016 #74
Oh. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #75
That is as a discussion you would want to have with my grandniece. GuestCheck Jun 2016 #76
Hillary voted for the IWR. cui bono Jun 2016 #94
Says one of the people who plays the gender card the most. cui bono Jun 2016 #18
Weird post Cui Bono, even for you. seabeyond Jun 2016 #21
I've seen this claim made before,Sea. If I were you I'd sufrommich Jun 2016 #26
Whatever it is, odd with a dash of... Funny as hell. Lol. Ya, a handful like to play this game. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #37
........ sufrommich Jun 2016 #45
The punctuation, capitalization and run on sentences morningfog Jun 2016 #89
I think it's adorable that you cower behind implication. It illustrates your character... LanternWaste Jun 2016 #137
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #32
So have a lot of us. That doesn't account for her lack of integrity. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #117
whiplash following your redirect. seabeyond Jun 2016 #118
That was too hard for you to follow? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #119
Not hard to follow at all. One has nothing to do with the other, or the conversation at hand. seabeyond Jun 2016 #120
This is exactly the argument conservatives made when the racism sufrommich Jun 2016 #4
You want to make it a straw man, then don't use it to excess to deflect criticism Armstead Jun 2016 #7
I'm sure all the ladies appreciate you explaining this whole sexism/criticism/equality geek tragedy Jun 2016 #6
Not all. But some agree with me 100 percent. Armstead Jun 2016 #10
what you said is so banal and mundane and obvious that you really insult geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
I never said it was a profound unique insight Armstead Jun 2016 #13
no you were lecturing, not merely expressing your opinion geek tragedy Jun 2016 #15
You prove my point Armstead Jun 2016 #23
Yes, when a woman is winning by a wide margin and a bunch of 20 something men geek tragedy Jun 2016 #38
I know nothing about that Twitter campaign...Is it all 20 something males? Armstead Jun 2016 #42
did you not notice the part about the double standard? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #47
You want me to be totally honest? Armstead Jun 2016 #49
okay, do you admit that she has every right to declare victory if she's won the popular vote, the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #50
She has the right to do anything she wants....As does Bernie Armstead Jun 2016 #55
I'm a woman and Armstead can talk about whatever he wants. riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #25
No, you're wrong. I'm a woman and I appreciate the post. cui bono Jun 2016 #28
Glad you did. 840high Jun 2016 #90
Hopefully, your next expressed opinion will be relevant and of substance. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #138
The people who overplayed the gender card need to be told this. cui bono Jun 2016 #20
+1 nt riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #27
+2 unapatriciated Jun 2016 #48
+3 pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #57
+4 dchill Jun 2016 #82
I had this argument last week.. coco77 Jun 2016 #88
+5 840high Jun 2016 #91
I'm 100% positive this place will label anyone sexist... TCJ70 Jun 2016 #14
Democratic is defined as laserhaas Jun 2016 #59
The 'cry wolf' sexists are out in force on this thread. *Everything* critical of Hillary is "sexist" w4rma Jun 2016 #16
It's sad that so many recent posts don't seem to reflect an understanding of these points. Vattel Jun 2016 #19
I'm sure there's a very reasonable cause for the double standards that get geek tragedy Jun 2016 #22
This 'dude' offers that she spent years claiming rights I must not have, according to her Goddy God Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #35
Yes she has faced double standards unapatriciated Jun 2016 #56
there are always going to be bogus claims of bias and discrimination geek tragedy Jun 2016 #60
There has been way too many unapatriciated Jun 2016 #64
the primary contest will be over on Tuesday geek tragedy Jun 2016 #73
Not his place, but it is our place unapatriciated Jun 2016 #135
There is a difference between wanting representation and a seat at the table on one hand geek tragedy Jun 2016 #136
Please use common sense. Vattel Jun 2016 #66
Sure, the reason he's not recognizing the will of the voters geek tragedy Jun 2016 #72
nice deflection Vattel Jun 2016 #95
We will see from his tone this week whether he thinks he can tell Hillary what to do geek tragedy Jun 2016 #98
I would bet on him conceding, but I could be wrong. Vattel Jun 2016 #100
as I said, it will be tone. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #101
Who has suggested the she shouldn't be subject to criticism as President? brooklynite Jun 2016 #24
Read some of the stuff being posted Armstead Jun 2016 #34
I would expect to see most ardent Hillary's supporters follow the lead of Obama's azurnoir Jun 2016 #29
Should she get into the WH, they cannot sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #31
It's be coupleism or something Armstead Jun 2016 #46
People have walked on eggshells over the reason behind the double standard. joshcryer Jun 2016 #33
There is probably sexism involved. But I think the bigger factor is the both of them Armstead Jun 2016 #36
The complaints I and many others have about Hillary snot Jun 2016 #39
Oh yes we can! KoKo Jun 2016 #40
more to the point, kiboshig criticism on DU and DKos won't actually do anything in the real world MisterP Jun 2016 #41
Build a straw-man, knock him over, declare victory!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #43
Do you think the only reason Bernie decided to run was because Clinton is a female? Armstead Jun 2016 #44
No. Put your straw man away. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #84
Political disagreement being shut down is in your imagination MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #51
Ask LGBT people how it went with Obama Prism Jun 2016 #52
It happened during the healthcasre debate Armstead Jun 2016 #61
They wore racism out Prism Jun 2016 #62
I would argue it's gone on longer than 2012 BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #97
Replace every single reference to sexism Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #53
She's going to be in a protected bubble...here at DU laserhaas Jun 2016 #54
I'm not sure you would ever be able to understand exactly why this is so wrong, AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #63
Where have you been the past 20 years?? DCBob Jun 2016 #71
And your point is.....? Armstead Jun 2016 #77
Feel free to ignore those who say that. DCBob Jun 2016 #79
Others have said it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #78
I well remember the" I would have liked Hillary had she remained a senator post" Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #80
Yeah let's forget the many admittedly sexist posts they've already treated us too.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #108
My eyesight is bad. Forgive me for typos. Armstead Jun 2016 #111
Works for me Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #113
I well remember "I would have liked Hillary had she remained a senator" Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #81
Good on you Armstead LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #83
I always assumed that would be the case -- Democracy has become a Kabuki Dance Armstead Jun 2016 #92
Being female is just one of her many presumed privileges. leveymg Jun 2016 #86
I think having a woman president would bring... tom-servo Jun 2016 #87
I don't expect you to understand how posting something like this 8 years ago... moriah Jun 2016 #96
Sorry, but you are doing what I am referring to Armstead Jun 2016 #109
No, you have said flat out you think she's overstepping "her place". moriah Jun 2016 #114
Everyone has their "place" ....You are inaccuratly characterizing what I said. Armstead Jun 2016 #115
And millions who voted for her for President thought her place was very different moriah Jun 2016 #121
Place was originally a bad use of words. Armstead Jun 2016 #122
Understood on the unrepentance. Also unrepentant here for pointing out... moriah Jun 2016 #129
Come on Armstead, you're smarter than this. Hillary has faced criticism for 30 years and she always seaglass Jun 2016 #99
What you are referring to is not what I am referring to Armstead Jun 2016 #106
You are truly the only person I have seen make that initial argument. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #103
Read the comments....There are people who agree Armstead Jun 2016 #105
Not one outside of yourself. You are the only one. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #107
All those "I agrees" don't exist? Armstead Jun 2016 #110
couldn't agree more K&R n/t dana_b Jun 2016 #112
It was the same with President Obama treestar Jun 2016 #123
Disagreeing with Obama's healthcare policies, for example, was not racism Armstead Jun 2016 #124
I don't think anyone said that treestar Jun 2016 #125
It was said frequently Armstead Jun 2016 #127
New song for Hillary azurnoir Jun 2016 #131
Is that Aimee Mann or have I got my 80's groups mixed up? Armstead Jun 2016 #132
no it's Gwen Stefani aka the former Mrs Gavin Rossdale azurnoir Jun 2016 #133
Ooops...even got my eras mixed up Armstead Jun 2016 #134
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