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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
23. No objection to a lot of what you say, and just because I think our government is broken
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

doesn't mean that I think that its foundation isn't what we work with to rebuild it. I'm not advocating throwing out the constitution or the bill of rights. I believe in those. After all, it is within the system that Bernie Sanders is attempting to change the most corrupt aspects of it. He is adhering to, not bucking those first principles.

But you, in my opinion have a strange disconnect about the influence of money on governance. Apparently it only corrupts republicans. Apparently when big money goes to democrats, well that's just big money being silly because democrats are a different breed of human being. You don't think that there would be a concerted effort to infiltrate both parties by industry heavyweights, and that money could do it? I mean, in an astonishing fit of honesty Al Gore said he went with the corn lobby and pandered ethanol because he needed to do it to get elected even though he already knew that that was the wrong direction. You don't think that sort of thing is rampant?

The truth is, and deep down you must know this, if you can't get big money to back you in an election you usually don't have a prayer. The Sanders campaign was a fluke of timing and discontent, but those of us at the bottom can't keep funding this one or future campaigns. Which means that the politicians who succeed in either party have to be one of three things, with rare exception: closely aligned in belief with the industries that support them; willing to compromise their principles in exchange for power or the chance to do some good on different issues; or infiltrators suckering big money into supporting them and as soon as they get in they are going to do all the good things. How likely do you really, in your heart of hearts, think C is?

And what about the media? Thankfully we're moving to the internet, (but so is the money in the form of widely disseminated hit-pieces, etc.), but you don't think that MSNBC and ABC and CBS and CNN have corporate agendas along with FOX news? If not, why? What makes them better? Tell me true, would you ever expect MSNBC to do an expose on GE? And that's just an extreme case. Who are GE's friends and affiliates? Which companies have the same interests? Would you want to go hard at Disney, if you knew Disney might go hard right back at you? See, this is why when MSNBC appears to support the more corporate friendly candidate that many of us smirk, because of course they would. And that's why when people like Krugman(who has already evolved over time from a much more conservative believer in free markets) blast that Bernie's policies are impractical, we're skeptical of the source. Mind you, its not necessarily that he's lying, even though some of his rhetoric does seem a little recycled, but that he's the kind of personality that companies are comfortable with. He doesn't have revolutionary ideas about changing the status quo. He's for tweaking a system that needs an overhaul. He's safe. I prefer Reich, or Richard Wolfe myself, but the networks don't.



Nj stolen, NM stolen, SD maybe stolen, CA stolen, why is ND and MT not stolen if its so easy nt msongs Jun 2016 #1
THERE YOU ARE ... We were waiting for your response over here ----> ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #14
They stole what they needed to. They didn't have the nerve to steal NH & VT. reformist2 Jun 2016 #18
Was Ohio stolen by Hillary? What about Florida and Virginia? Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #33
That is another power the establishment has bestowed upon themselves. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #22
It is easy. Testimony before Congress established that. merrily Jun 2016 #29
God fucking damn. Just lose. LexVegas Jun 2016 #2
Stop the spamming. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #4
It's what they do. merrily Jun 2016 #30
Amen NurseJackie Jun 2016 #11
I like Bernie TeddyR Jun 2016 #3
Its a catch 22. Say for just a second that there really were forces at work and most people didn't JCanete Jun 2016 #10
JCanete, Hillary won California by nearly 1/2 million votes. Hortensis Jun 2016 #17
The whole system is undemocratic, not just the caucuses. But of course Hillary got more JCanete Jun 2016 #19
As it happens, I do not believe our government Hortensis Jun 2016 #21
No objection to a lot of what you say, and just because I think our government is broken JCanete Jun 2016 #23
No, I don't. But the big threat is from the Republicans. Hortensis Jun 2016 #24
But Clinton entered politics and became wealthy. How do you know who the good guys are? nt JCanete Jun 2016 #25
You NEVER know who the good guys are. randome Jun 2016 #27
Stratospheric levels of wealth are concentrated Hortensis Jun 2016 #34
I never said that only Bernie supporters have an issue with wealth concentration, but if you JCanete Jun 2016 #36
These people are making themselves look ridiculous. How embarrassing. tritsofme Jun 2016 #5
Good gawd, give it a rest. There's no dishonor in finishing with fewer votes. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #6
But the 1 in 77 billion chance of the exit polls being that wrong is interesting: scscholar Jun 2016 #13
Do you think Sanders stole Minnesota? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #16
Those "probabilities" are just as made-up as the "exit poll discrepancies." -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #28
"Painfully amateur Sanders campaign" never printed a voter guide.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #7
I haven't read this yet G_j Jun 2016 #8
There is a lawsuit. Ultimately, a judge will decide. merrily Jun 2016 #32
That doesn't explain the early voting before now that Hillary led by 10 points stevenleser Jun 2016 #9
If NPP is too confusing, pick a party. Problem solved. nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #12
By Palast's logic, my primary vote was stolen too! And I'm an independent in Florida. Native Jun 2016 #15
If you truly believe the democratic party steals every election, why not just immediately leave it? qdouble Jun 2016 #20
I didn't write the article! scscholar Jun 2016 #26
Well, what IS your opinion about the Democratic Party then? MoonRiver Jun 2016 #31
Obviously, I don't. scscholar Jun 2016 #38
This nonsense is so old. Face, Bernie lost. Somebody wins and somebody loses, it isn't soccer tonyt53 Jun 2016 #35
Trump Trolling? realmirage Jun 2016 #37
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