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146. Then why did Clinton win more open primaries

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:30 PM

Jun 2016

It's hard to make a convincing argument that Sanders would have gotten the nomination if it weren't for that meddling DNC when he did so poorly in open primaries (and primaries in general).

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How is Hillary going to unite the party? I don't see it happening. [View all] pinebox Jun 2016 OP

One word. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #1

I don't think that is going to work pinebox Jun 2016 #4

How committed to progressive values is someone if they help Trump win the presidency? LonePirate Jun 2016 #17

Yes. And Sanders does better vs Trump than Clinton. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #41

First, I didn't vote for her. Second, she defeated Sanders so she's the nominee. LonePirate Jun 2016 #59

It's not that people think they will fare better loyalsister Jun 2016 #77

There are plenty of uninformed voters on both sides of the aisle. LonePirate Jun 2016 #80

Those in denial are more the problem! peace13 Jun 2016 #202

There are far more things at stake SoCalNative Jun 2016 #133

It's easier to see the big picture when you aren't hungry loyalsister Jun 2016 #164

Well they certainly aren't going to get it SoCalNative Jun 2016 #172

Such as? Matt_R Jun 2016 #175

Exactly. Andy823 Jun 2016 #79

Their days are numbered. eom Blanks Jun 2016 #107

Can't wait till Thursday SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #182

try here handmade34 Jun 2016 #189

How will Clinton make things better for me, my family and community... Matt_R Jun 2016 #178

SCOTUS redstateblues Jun 2016 #180

And Matt R does have a valid point SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #192

Message from a European friend happynewyear Jun 2016 #103

tho reasonable, that is blackmail......... larkrake Jun 2016 #105

Look, like it or not, it's a choice between Trump and Hillary. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #27

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #106

The choice is Hillary. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #124

scenarios are comparisons, stop bloviating. If we dont consider the damage of a Trump presidency, larkrake Jun 2016 #130

Utterly nonsense reply. There is no outrage. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #131

I hate repeating myself, but this is important. Matt_R Jun 2016 #181

Research zenabby Jun 2016 #199

I guess you can't take the time to spell it out for us why Clinton should be supported. Matt_R Jun 2016 #200

Not at all zenabby Jun 2016 #205

Great points, but too much of a corporate candidate for my taste. Matt_R Jun 2016 #207

woman zenabby Jun 2016 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #214

Welcome to DU. Matt_R Jun 2016 #215

Being a woman? Is that all you've got? Sarah Palin is a woman &I sure as hell wouldn't vote for her! jillan Jun 2016 #209

Well, for one, she will appoint a liberal hamsterjill Jun 2016 #201

ok, who has she stated she would appoint? Matt_R Jun 2016 #203

So you think Trump would do better? hamsterjill Jun 2016 #216

Had to think for a few days, eh. Matt_R Jun 2016 #218

Spend your life online? hamsterjill Jun 2016 #220

Its cool, a Clinton supporter used it on me a couple weeks ago, so its ok to point out. Matt_R Jun 2016 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #222

By chance have you come up with a Clinton apointee to the supreme court? Matt_R Jun 2016 #223

Clinton hasn't been elected yet, so NO, I don't have the name of an appointee. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #229

Currently the republicans are blocking Obama's centrist supreme court pick... Matt_R Jun 2016 #232

It is already workng lewebley3 Jun 2016 #151

You can start by changing your avatar. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #176

Yes it would treestar Jun 2016 #230

To paraphrase the '92 Clinton Campaign Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #12

She will be using fear....Trump insta8er Jun 2016 #14

If they're so afraid of Trump, then why nominate Clinton? HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #44

Such a pathetic line of reasoning. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #29

Hey, thanks for your opinion. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #85

she won 60% of dems that represent 29% of the population- her enthusiasm is in the basement and she larkrake Jun 2016 #109

Seriously? hamsterjill Jun 2016 #121

not outside the umbrella of the party shes not. Her unfavorables are historic, but you believe what larkrake Jun 2016 #135

I'm having a fine day, nothing to do w Hillary tho. Fear of Trump highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #165

One other word .... Obama! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #69

One more word ... Warren! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #70

Not going to change my mind one bit.. coco77 Jun 2016 #92

I was to write the exact same thing. Beacool Jun 2016 #97

Great minds think alike! hamsterjill Jun 2016 #128

What happens to your boogie man rationale... RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #104

My rationale is no boogie man. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #127

its still blackmail larkrake Jun 2016 #137

"A smaller, slightly less pungent shit sandwich." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #123

One number. Native Jun 2016 #132

I'm not into polling, but I'll take it. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #138

Trump= be afraid, and I'm full up on fear mongering. peace13 Jun 2016 #139

It's not fear. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #152

You are afraid of what won't be. peace13 Jun 2016 #157

No, I don't think so. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #174

You've played that card too many times. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #211

Baloney. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #217

You could have just said: Bush! Loudestlib Jun 2016 #227

It's about reminding them that agreeing 90% of the time means you're on the SAME SIDE. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #2

Hmmm interesting thought pinebox Jun 2016 #6

but no one else agrees with Clinton 90%, its more like 10% larkrake Jun 2016 #110

Humans and chimps share over 98% of their DNA, QC Jun 2016 #34

She was already accused of stealing his platform. That's not enough? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #38

Talk is cheap. Action is better. n/t QC Jun 2016 #45

You can't act until you're in power to do so, meaning there's nothing she can do to sway you. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #46

Sure she can. I've been voting straight Democratic tickets QC Jun 2016 #56

But if you say "talk is cheap", why would you believe her if she said those things? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #65

Put someone credible in charge of dealing with those issues. QC Jun 2016 #78

And we circle back to Hillary needs to submit her platform to Bernie. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #81

And here we circle back to the difference between politics as QC Jun 2016 #89

What part of Hillary's platform doesn't qualify as "something"? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #90

Again, it gets at credibility. Put Eliz. Warren in charge QC Jun 2016 #94

In case you forgot the Dem base is split down the middle d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #87

lip service, no believes those words from her larkrake Jun 2016 #111

All signs point to it already happening n/t Godhumor Jun 2016 #3

I don't see it happening anywhere, point in the direction please? pinebox Jun 2016 #5

Sanders surrogates advocating for wind down, Warren's impending endorsement Godhumor Jun 2016 #21

Surrogates though aren't stadiums packed with voters pinebox Jun 2016 #26

It won't happen overnight radical noodle Jun 2016 #39

The vast majority of Bernie supporters will go to Hillary. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #101

Don't "see it" or " don't want it"? JoePhilly Jun 2016 #72

"What a fool believes, he sees" redstateblues Jun 2016 #185

What signs? Duval Jun 2016 #11

I'm not sure his supporters are as important as some may think. It doesn't seem that they can be eastwestdem Jun 2016 #7

That is where you are incorrect pinebox Jun 2016 #19

What is your argument for non-Democrats voting in a Democratic presidential primary? eastwestdem Jun 2016 #30

We pay for it Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #43

You also pay for roads you don't use and hospitals you don't use and parks...etc. randome Jun 2016 #49

And we are not barred from using them either, are we? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #63

And you're not barred from joining any party you want. randome Jun 2016 #67

I am in a registered party of my choice Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #74

You forgot ...and wars you don't want. So funny you forgot that one! peace13 Jun 2016 #159

So should we all be able to vote in each of the primaries. I pay for the repubs primary as well, eastwestdem Jun 2016 #50

It would be Libertarian Heaven! randome Jun 2016 #52

Tax-payers are paying for it. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #47

You also pay for roads you don't use and hospitals you don't use and parks...etc. randome Jun 2016 #51

But not banned from using them. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #57

Same thing. You're not banned from joining any party you choose. randome Jun 2016 #61

As an independent Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #71

to build the party and expose the cons larkrake Jun 2016 #112

This would be done more effectively from within. There is no way to know if those eastwestdem Jun 2016 #113

Then why did Clinton win more open primaries mythology Jun 2016 #146

I have seen your posts the last couple of days and note you are a fellow Warriors fan. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #33

This is a joke, right? Really not funny. I'm going to tell Steph. libdem4life Jun 2016 #158

You're right. 10s of millions of Sanders supporters aren't important to the Democratic Party. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #54

Tens of millions? Try 12 million redstateblues Jun 2016 #186

Many couldn't vote. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #193

It's clearly already happening. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #8

Here's a good article indicating it will happen.. DCBob Jun 2016 #9

This is how I think it will go down.... jzodda Jun 2016 #10

I think the RNC is seeing that too and may bump trump. A new face is where the frustrated will go larkrake Jun 2016 #114

Over 40% of Clinton voters in 08 said they wouldn't vote for Obama, its only 27% for Sanders voters uponit7771 Jun 2016 #13

You forgot to add jzodda Jun 2016 #24

Link and quote? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #64

Ill try and find jzodda Jun 2016 #82

thx uponit7771 Jun 2016 #95

Here you go and its current! jzodda Jun 2016 #96

Thx so much for this!! uponit7771 Jun 2016 #98

Anytime jzodda Jun 2016 #99

She isn't BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #15

Republicans will turn out in droves to vote against Hill yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #22

You'll be disappointed. grossproffit Jun 2016 #190

If you don't want to unite, then it won't happen. Fortunately Sanders is making the moves necessary OKNancy Jun 2016 #16

It is not Bernie that she needs to unite with. Bernie is one jwirr Jun 2016 #184

It ain't gonna happen yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #18

No Rump is MFM008 Jun 2016 #60

trump is against free trade too larkrake Jun 2016 #115

yep 840high Jun 2016 #76

As bad as this primary was it still wasn't as bad as 2008 IMHO NWCorona Jun 2016 #20

I think this has been much worse pinebox Jun 2016 #23

I guess both cycles had their low points but I just remember it being NWCorona Jun 2016 #31

The two candidates are so far apart on the issues it is remarkable. djean111 Jun 2016 #36

And yet they voted the same way, 93% of the time. FSogol Jun 2016 #58

Sure, if you count things like Post Office namings as the same importance as war authorizations. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #134

thank you. larkrake Jun 2016 #136

It is marked worse than 08 Cosmocat Jun 2016 #91

You could help. We all could help. MineralMan Jun 2016 #25

I have my own opinions on the matter MM pinebox Jun 2016 #37

I have no doubt whatever that you do. MineralMan Jun 2016 #40

Here ... LMFTFY NurseJackie Jun 2016 #28

Both can be the same thing. NWCorona Jun 2016 #32

True. :-D NurseJackie Jun 2016 #35

Bernie has to go first. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #42

give it a rest larkrake Jun 2016 #117

Too bad for you pinebox Jun 2016 #143

You'll need to lose the attitude before you head downtown to organize Hills neighborhood canvassing peace13 Jun 2016 #163

Don't worry Pinebox, the PUMAs didn't have any effect either realmirage Jun 2016 #48

You don't understand pinebox Jun 2016 #145

The only change that can be made is to be active in the Democratic Party and help shape it. realmirage Jun 2016 #169

Well, despite "packing stadiums"... Adrahil Jun 2016 #53

+1 n/t FSogol Jun 2016 #66

How is Bernie Sanders going to help unite the party? frazzled Jun 2016 #55

That is FAR too accurate Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #102

Maybe she will, maybe she won't. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #62

she wont have a second term if she betrays us, and I feel she will betray the people larkrake Jun 2016 #118

It's not that easy to run against a President in their second term. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #125

By then there will likely be a progressive running with a shiny new answer to larkrake Jun 2016 #141

It just can't be Bill's 3rd term. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #150

Bill has slipped mentally- sad to see, but we all face it dont we larkrake Jun 2016 #161

I think she knows exactly what it would take for her to be a one-term President... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #162

The percentage of Bernie's people that won't vote for her is statistically small and normal for Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #68

You are extremely in error. They wont vote her, they will enthusiastically support down ticket so larkrake Jun 2016 #119

Sanders' supporters have been ignoring downticket races in the primaries- Wisconsin was a huge bettyellen Jun 2016 #231

You sound like you don't like wars. valerief Jun 2016 #73

Trump will do most of the uniting Zambero Jun 2016 #75

how many people are rational when two jobs dont pay the bills and kids are shot by cops? larkrake Jun 2016 #120

"I don't see it happening." wyldwolf Jun 2016 #83

Really, the only ones I see being holdouts are here on DU, Reddit and Twitter justiceischeap Jun 2016 #84

Funny because I don't know one person who will vote for her! peace13 Jun 2016 #144

Yeah, well my friends are thinkers and are in it for the long game justiceischeap Jun 2016 #147

I hate to say anything nice about Trump, but two of his children have married into amandabeech Jun 2016 #206

He says he has Muslim friends too justiceischeap Jun 2016 #212

flamebait and a time waster. goodbye. you are the first person i've put on ignore. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #86

Repaid :) pinebox Jun 2016 #148

I've never put anyone on ignore but this poster's hatred redstateblues Jun 2016 #179

Hers is the greatest, but not the only, responsibility. Orsino Jun 2016 #88

Its really up to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY to unite. No one person BootinUp Jun 2016 #93

Nonsense. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #100

2008: How is Clinton going to unite the party? joshcryer Jun 2016 #108

I have little common ground with Clinton pengu Jun 2016 #116

I think everyone should vote jamese777 Jun 2016 #149

Oh I'll vote for sure pengu Jun 2016 #160

It's happening right now. Obama, Elizabeth Warren. Bernie soon too. YouDig Jun 2016 #122

congress critters have to cheerlead for the party and against Trump, its a given larkrake Jun 2016 #126

agree. Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #129

It's already begun. Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #140

Primary Elections are a poor indicator jamese777 Jun 2016 #142

She is already doing it. Many people are not hte handful on DU. Du is not indicative of the real seabeyond Jun 2016 #153

By making a citizen's arrest of Lloyd Blankfein RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #154

Or, at a minimum, a four year moratorium on Blankfein photo ops. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #188

Of course, Lloyd's company already coughed up $675,000 to Hillary RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #194

Are you voting for her? Renew Deal Jun 2016 #155

Why do you ask? pinebox Jun 2016 #167

You have an interest in unity Renew Deal Jun 2016 #170

I stand besides whoever best represents me. pinebox Jun 2016 #173

from the post I just read they laughing about Bernie bringing coffee to the white house wendylaroux Jun 2016 #156

... XRubicon Jun 2016 #166

Actually, this is a little more relevant pinebox Jun 2016 #168

+1 Right on, and love that song. So true. nt Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #196

HRC won't get about one third of Sanders people. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #171

I just don't see that happening. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #195

One third is much too high. It's already lower than that. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #197

Hillary haters like you will never see it. People see what they want to see. redstateblues Jun 2016 #177

By running her campaign and beating the opposition. The door is open and there's beer in the fridge LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #183

I guess there must be a plan to accomplish the unity. HassleCat Jun 2016 #187

Political Parties Are Not Unified jamese777 Jun 2016 #191

It is already starting. Big Dem players are already starting to pivot to the GE AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #198

She does not think that is her job. peace13 Jun 2016 #204

Bern or Bust Movement FOREVER. HRC took money laserhaas Jun 2016 #208

Support DNC rule changes and pick the right running mate Peachhead22 Jun 2016 #210

Wake up - it's already happening MaggieD Jun 2016 #219

Donald Trump is uniting the party, HRC doesn't have to do anything. Rex Jun 2016 #224

The same thing the Emperor planed to use to hold the Empire together with after desolving the Senate TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #225

What apcalc Jun 2016 #226

Very tough for anyone to reunite our party Wayburn Jun 2016 #228