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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Yes, its OK to vote for Hillary because she is a woman! [View all]athena
(4,187 posts)76. I made points, to which you did not respond. But I will respond to your so-called "questions".
"Congress is only 20% female because women are less interested in running for Congress and/or women are discriminated against by voters and/or women are discriminated against by political donors."
Wow. You think Congress is only 20% female mainly because "women are less interested." I bet that's what you think about the paucity of women in science, as well. Really, this tells me all I need to know about your views on women.
Your questions were, as far as I can tell, not honest questions. In other words, they were not attempts to get an answer and learn something from that answer but rather to teach the other poster something that you clearly think you know better. That's not what a discussion is about. Nonetheless, I will answer your questions.
Question: How do you respond to someone exclaiming: "I'm going to vote for Trump because he's a man!"?
Answer: I would say, "Go ahead. This is nothing new. You've been voting for men because they're men all your life, anyway."
Question: "Okay. Does the tendency of others to discriminate by sex when voting in the past, justify continuing this practice into the future? Yes or no???"
Answer: The tendency of people to discriminate by sex when voting in the past does not justify continuing this practice into the future. That is precisely the reason to vote for a woman. Frankly, it's funny that you don't see what your comment is really saying.
Question: "And why is it okay 'for a man to vote for a man because he's a man?'"
Answer: Clearly, you didn't understand the point I was making. It's ironic and revealing that people (like you) are perfectly fine with electing a 45th man as president, but they think it's misandrist to elect a woman as president. In other words, they don't see that voting for a man for president is, intrinsically, voting because of gender. If it were not, we would have seen roughly 22 female presidents by now. People have been voting for men because they're men for centuries. But the moment some women decide to vote for a woman because she is a woman, people (like you) start getting upset and crying "misandry"! (You misuse the term "sexism" to mean "misandry". Just as it is not "racism" for a few Black people to dislike white people, it is not "sexism" for a few women to vote for a woman because she is a woman. Racism and sexism are destructive only because there are institutions established around them. If you don't understand this, you need to read up on racism and sexism. People have been working on this stuff for decades.)
As you can see, I made all these points previously, but you didn't seem to realize that I was, indeed, responding to your points. You have not, however, responded to anything I wrote. In fact, you cannot respond to them because that would mean having to rethink your own position. I doubt very much that you will show that level of flexibility and open-mindedness. Prove me wrong if you can.
I suggest you start listening to some women in the future, instead of assuming that you already know everything. Because based on what you've posted, it's clear that you have a lot to learn about feminism and gender equality.
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If you're voting for inequality and discrimination, I have nothing to offer beyond contempt. nt
procon
Jun 2016
#5
You could just answer the question instead of twisting yourself into a pretzel...
99Forever
Jun 2016
#69
You are talking as if we already have the level playing field, just as Sanders did and his fail.
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#88
No. And I told you why it is not a perfectly valid question. Yet you ignore reasoning again.
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#107
I made points, to which you did not respond. But I will respond to your so-called "questions".
athena
Jun 2016
#76
Faulty logic here. Just because men were elected it does not follow that gender was the criteria.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#70
No question sexism has played a giant role especially considering for quite a few of the 44
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#91
I also think it is either lazy or fingers in the ear to throw around misogyny
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#136
I require no agreement to be correct. I hope you find a way to value who you are and
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#139
I was absolutely thrilled to vote for Obama, not least BECAUSE he was black. The same with Hillary.
Squinch
Jun 2016
#90
I'm sorry, but claiming sexism against men when throughout history, we have had 44 males presidents
boston bean
Jun 2016
#98
What a righteous feminist rant. !!! The absurdity I hear in reducing this to merely voting for woman
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#8
What about American poor women who had public assistance yanked out from under them?
Armstead
Jun 2016
#31
Yep, nothing gets a woman's attention like a man telling her, to "pay attention!"
procon
Jun 2016
#44
What about American women who had husbands and fathers locked up by the Crime bill Hillary hawked*
jack_krass
Jun 2016
#55
Even as First Lady she was more powerful than the fuckin' elected congressman that voted. Lol
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#87
Amen!! Thank you for standing up. Pay no attention to the naysayers. They've been
BreakfastClub
Jun 2016
#14
Voting for someone because of gender is the same as voting against someone because of gender.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2016
#33
There hasn't been a woman president since this country was founded even though their 50% of the..
qdouble
Jun 2016
#52
I applaude you. There are many people who can't own it. Some I've interacted with feign disbelief
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Jun 2016
#103
OK? Is there any other reason besides (1) a female president is overdue and (2) Hillary isn't Trump?
Vote2016
Jun 2016
#141
You mean besides our autonomy, equality, justice, fairness, parity and rights? nt
procon
Jun 2016
#142