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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
184. As I said before
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie voted for it and the credit of some parts are given in full to him while the blame for bad parts are given in full to her. Nothing you have said disabuses me of this notion that there is a complete double standard of blame and credit and he always gets the benefit of doubt whereas she never does. If anything her intentions are falsified to make her seem evil.

I have said for months that his is a mostly white revolution. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #1
It's not his revolution. It predates his candidacy... Orsino Jun 2016 #10
Isn't the nation mostly white? KPN Jun 2016 #30
But the Democratic base is not mostly white Gothmog Jun 2016 #86
The Democratic party is about 60% white AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #145
Is that why the Sanders campaign felt social justice was of secondary importance? Squinch Jun 2016 #176
A $15 minimum wage would disportionately help POC. Ash_F Jun 2016 #161
They could just as easily wrote: How Bernie Sanders exposed Democrats generational rift Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #2
This is false on its face, all the early polling showed millennial PoC with Hillary uponit7771 Jun 2016 #4
Nationwide - not just California. Below 30 consistently favored Bernie. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #9
That was not split by race, I've not seen one poll were PoC millienials supported Sanders uponit7771 Jun 2016 #12
Milienials include those over 30 also. Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #21
Understood, I still haven't seen any data showing the shift from Feb that PoC Mils were mostly uponit7771 Jun 2016 #25
You should have kept reading. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #16
Actually, early on, Clinton well had millennials until pied piper walked past. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #39
Disgusting statement denigrating young people. Unrec. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #151
Not all democrats are young bravenak Jun 2016 #5
Nor do all old Americans Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #11
From the article: TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6
It would be good to have newer data Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #13
You got a link to those? I've not seen one poll split by race after the "southern states" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #19
I said exit polls Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #125
Then, I'm sure you can provide proof of your assertions. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #23
NBC News May 28 report Sanders won 18-29 black voters 52-47 icecreamfan Jun 2016 #126
That's based on exit polls. And that is the only place on the entire Internet that I've seen where Number23 Jun 2016 #159
+1, BOOM Goes the "millennial" support... it was mostly white millennial uponit7771 Jun 2016 #17
I can buy that. Young folks are influenced by their parents views KPN Jun 2016 #31
There are good reasons why African Americans are not supporting Sanders Gothmog Jun 2016 #90
people power... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #3
People power... Lord Magus Jun 2016 #27
I'll raise you with.... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #58
Your point? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #60
politics is hardball... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #65
Yes: this election showed that many Democrats are fine with bombing brown people in foreign nations, cpwm17 Jun 2016 #7
+1, "made a breakthrough with black voters because he lost them ONLY by 35 %.." uponit7771 Jun 2016 #8
To be very fair forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #73
people whose communities have different histories have different ways of viewing the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14
Economic class divisions affect people of all colors. Armstead Jun 2016 #42
There are other issues besides economics. Issues many find more important. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54
You are correct, there are many issues.......It is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time Armstead Jun 2016 #63
Bernie has always condemned police brutality against Blacks. raging moderate Jun 2016 #128
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #15
Yep. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #22
+1, Wall Street is the boogyman of the privileged and he stoked the anger from economic insecurity uponit7771 Jun 2016 #26
Right workinclasszero Jun 2016 #28
wut? progressoid Jun 2016 #49
The "Silent Majority" and "Reagan Democrats", the moderate Republicans of yesterday voted PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #52
Wrong. raging moderate Jun 2016 #171
Wall Street rips off people of all colors Armstead Jun 2016 #41
"One of these days that will sink in to those who want to make everything about race. " sigh uponit7771 Jun 2016 #84
I am not arguing against people having different priorities Armstead Jun 2016 #94
Then the dem candidate needs to address those issues relative to constituents, not just back uponit7771 Jun 2016 #96
Sorry but this will do neither of us any good Armstead Jun 2016 #101
You're right, I live on the planet were not competing were a lot of PoC live isn't a good tactical uponit7771 Jun 2016 #105
+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #149
For people who aren't white straight males dsc Jun 2016 #177
There is no logic in this -- We can't as a society do more than one thing? Armstead Jun 2016 #178
if you're privileged then Wall Street is hardly a boogey man azurnoir Jun 2016 #78
Horse shit Armstead Jun 2016 #38
Yes. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #40
God no. What total and complete bullshit. The only thing that made it that way JCanete Jun 2016 #82
Weaver and Divine admitted not competing in the "southern states" & Sanders lost by over 4 mil votes uponit7771 Jun 2016 #87
That has nothing to do with his platform or policies, which would all benefit minorities JCanete Jun 2016 #97
Most of the dem PoC where in the "southern states" so if they didn't compete for them how in uponit7771 Jun 2016 #102
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #150
This pretty much sums it up: sufrommich Jun 2016 #18
So very true, I called it a temper tantrum months ago... Weaver and Divine both said they didn't uponit7771 Jun 2016 #24
It shouldn't be really surprising though if you think back to the animosity justiceischeap Jun 2016 #29
Bernie Sanders was decades ahead of Hillary Clinton in his support for gay rights. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #34
Hold on one fucking minute... I am 59, White, Male and GAY... Raster Jun 2016 #35
Here since 2001 and that's how I remember it as well. QC Jun 2016 #44
That is total crap Armstead Jun 2016 #69
That seemed to have been specifically about Bernie or Busters gollygee Jun 2016 #92
+1000 redStateBlueHeart Jun 2016 #75
very few Sanders supporters are toying with or will be voting for Trump azurnoir Jun 2016 #79
Very interesting read (well worth the time to read the entire thing!) etherealtruth Jun 2016 #20
Agreed, but I wonder how many actually read the whole thing before commenting. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #130
I think that was missed in the reading .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #131
Excellent article.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #32
I had always believed that a populist campaign would appeal to both Black and White voters. bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #33
Economics do not always trump race. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #56
Regardless of race DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #64
Economics do not always trump race GummyBearz Jun 2016 #72
Republicans and conservatives? Armstead Jun 2016 #76
There are other issues that are important to people. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #77
Yeap, ANOTHER post explaining what PoC "best interest" are... nothing new for Sanders camp uponit7771 Jun 2016 #89
+1, this was talked about ad nausea last year and was ignored then and is ignored now uponit7771 Jun 2016 #88
But economic issues touch everyone bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #99
Where do you get that? All I'm saying is that there are other issues people find as important. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #103
You have to give a broad range of people reason to vote for you. bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #122
Clinton's message reached a broader, more diverse coalition of voters. That says it all. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #124
The Corporate and Wall St. Barons are equal opportunity exploiters Armstead Jun 2016 #74
Is politico one of your now favorite sources? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #36
We often believe only that which validates our bias, and conveniently discount all else... LanternWaste Jun 2016 #43
I do not care what she had to say. Just because we are both black women, does not mean I must defer bravenak Jun 2016 #48
You seem to avoid discussing the substance of what she says. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #129
I do not care what she says bravenak Jun 2016 #132
And that really sums it up. You seem not to care what the Clinton have done to damage the rhett o rick Jun 2016 #133
Bernie voted for it too so.... bravenak Jun 2016 #134
Voting for a bill doesn't mean you like every thing in it. But you know that. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #152
But it does make one responsible for their own vote bravenak Jun 2016 #154
Arguably yes. But that isn't what you said. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #168
His vote counted. He voted yes, regardless of his motivations for doing so bravenak Jun 2016 #169
Because the executive supported it, and she was part of that and supported it JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #172
More excuses bravenak Jun 2016 #179
Your response to my substantive, thoughtful post was exactly as I expected. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #181
Your post was disingenuous. bravenak Jun 2016 #182
How so? JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #183
As I said before bravenak Jun 2016 #184
And I explained why the Clintons could have only chosen the good parts if they wanted JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #185
No bravenak Jun 2016 #186
You need a 2/3 majority to override a veto, not a 50%+1 majority. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #187
What has that got to do with anything? bravenak Jun 2016 #190
That was comprehensive. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #37
I expect to see much more of this type of article bravenak Jun 2016 #53
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #45
This is far more complicated than is usually acknowledged. Beowulf Jun 2016 #46
The fact that his supporters were so against sjw and 'identity politics' is half the problem bravenak Jun 2016 #47
The sad thing is forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #62
That is pretty much what I was waiting for from him bravenak Jun 2016 #66
Going in I honestly expected he was going to do a lot of the same things Obama did forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #68
I agree with this wholeheartedly!! Beowulf Jun 2016 #83
Super Predators who must be brought to heel; 13 year olds charged as adults appalachiablue Jun 2016 #50
Bernie voted YES on that crime bill bravenak Jun 2016 #51
Don't wonder about me and history, know that I have two degrees in the field. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #55
If you have two degrees why did you not research the crime bill and Bernie's support bravenak Jun 2016 #57
Never said I didn't know this info. did I? You brought up what 'history appalachiablue Jun 2016 #67
Yeah whatever bravenak Jun 2016 #71
and another post about Bernie and his racist followers. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #59
I can tell you did not read it bravenak Jun 2016 #61
oh I read it but here's a fact more whites voted for Barack Obama in '08 than Bill Clinton in '92 azurnoir Jun 2016 #81
K, so you didn't read it cause what white people did wasn't the center of the article .... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #108
a question why when Sanders was very clear in wanting to improve economics/ quality of life for all azurnoir Jun 2016 #109
That goes without saying for any dem candidate, not addressing peoples priorities is the issue heree uponit7771 Jun 2016 #111
oh so it was over homogenized or everybody wasn't good enough for some azurnoir Jun 2016 #113
No, it was overly homogenized and not addressing all of the dem bases priorities. It's that simple uponit7771 Jun 2016 #114
so wanting a better system economically and legally for all isn't good enough? azurnoir Jun 2016 #116
Its a start, its not the end all though and that's where Sanders stopped and Clinton's didn't uponit7771 Jun 2016 #121
what did Clinton do-all I seem to remember was photo-ops with the mothers of victims ? azurnoir Jun 2016 #135
Can you stop putting words in people's mouth? forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #70
No, another post about how Sanders appeal wasn't diverse enough cause JUST LIKE IN THIS THREAD uponit7771 Jun 2016 #91
He also exposed a lot of anti Semitic "democrats" nt Autumn Jun 2016 #80
That's the fact, Jack. Also lots of Reagan loving LGBT dismissig 'Democrats'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #95
Yes. Bernie running was the best thing that ever happened. He peeled back the Autumn Jun 2016 #100
Bingo. You win the thread. n/t QC Jun 2016 #115
+10000 eom Arazi Jun 2016 #139
There it is. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2016 #191
The Sanders revolution is a mostly white movement Gothmog Jun 2016 #85
Excellent article, thanks Raastan Jun 2016 #93
YES !! Sanders message was centered towards the very people who mostly supported him uponit7771 Jun 2016 #98
universal healthcare, free college, a living wage, non-corrupt politics.... killbotfactory Jun 2016 #106
HRC had a similar message and PoC didn't believe she was Satans daughter so the character uponit7771 Jun 2016 #107
Clinton was only a no-name longshot with only a message and a prayer. killbotfactory Jun 2016 #104
The racial rift looks a lot different if he wins Nevada SheenaR Jun 2016 #110
Weaver and Divine admitted not competing in the "southern states" & Sanders lost by over 4 mil votes uponit7771 Jun 2016 #112
Glad you read my post SheenaR Jun 2016 #117
Yes, they did fail to compete from the start if they didn't put resources in those states and uponit7771 Jun 2016 #119
They had resources in ZERO states post the first four SheenaR Jun 2016 #123
As a Bernie supporter I've been trying to come to grips with this issue. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #118
Yes, it's a lot of information to assess. lovemydog Jun 2016 #156
IMO, the concept of a new revolution is a much more comfortable idea Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #120
Climate change will render a lot of navel gazing moot. And soon Arazi Jun 2016 #140
My origins are Green Party Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #144
Shrug. I'll vote my conscience Arazi Jun 2016 #146
That is a bullshit article posted by a bullshit corporatist media source. Nuff said! floriduck Jun 2016 #127
What specifically do you take issue with? Garrett78 Jun 2016 #137
OMG the author nailed it BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #136
I had to read it multiple times to get all I needed from it bravenak Jun 2016 #138
That's what was remarkable about the article BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #141
I felt like they read my posts and use it to write this bravenak Jun 2016 #142
+infinity BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #143
Great article. qdouble Jun 2016 #147
I wonder if you have ever noticed that many of the DUers that did not Live and Learn Jun 2016 #148
I noticed the opposite bravenak Jun 2016 #167
Check back a bit further . nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #173
Not only that... coyote Jun 2016 #153
That is an AMAZING read. And I hope it puts an end to the lie that Black youths supported him Number23 Jun 2016 #155
"The expectation that a politician should agree with you lovemydog Jun 2016 #158
It's a great read. Some of it is problematic but overall, it is a very important read Number23 Jun 2016 #160
Yes, it's well worth discussing. lovemydog Jun 2016 #162
"Southern" voters were the POINT of the Fairness Commission. joshcryer Jun 2016 #164
Very interesting article. lovemydog Jun 2016 #157
This proves that the Fairness Commission and Mikulski Commission worked. joshcryer Jun 2016 #163
Thank you for this in depth article, brave. Cha Jun 2016 #165
More bullshit. Here are some racial gaffes noiretextatique Jun 2016 #166
This answers questions I've been asking myself for months! LAS14 Jun 2016 #170
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #174
You couldn't have read the article. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #175
OMG!!11 The Nation of Islam has taken over DU!!11 Bow ties and bean pies for everybody!!1eleven Number23 Jun 2016 #180
Yeah that was something gollygee Jun 2016 #189
I re-read the original article, lovemydog Jun 2016 #192
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #188
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