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8. Not all unprocesseded ballots are presidential primary ballots
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

It doesn't seem to impact your estimates by very much, and maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like you're assuming that 68 plus percent of the unprocessed ballots will be Democratic presidential primary ballots (based on your calculation that of 5.6 million presidential primary ballots counted 68.7 were Democratic presidential primary ballots). But just as only 5.6 million of the approx 6.5 million ballots processed were presidential primary ballots, so too must an assumption be made that a certain percentage of the unprocessed ballots are not presidential primary ballots. It gets a bit tricky because there are three categories of unprocessed ballots: uncounted mail in, provisional and "other". Assuming that the same proportion of each category are presidential primary or non-presidential primary ballots is probably inaccurate (just as it probably is inaccurate to assume that the same proportion of provisional Democratic primary ballots were cast for Sanders as the proportion of mail in ballots).

I think you've actually accounted for the fact that the unprocessed ballots include non presidential primary ballots indirectly through your "rejected" ballots adjustment. But non-presidential primary ballots (which includes ballots cast by NPP voters who did not elect to participate in any of the presidential primaries and presidential primary ballots in which the voter left the choice for a presidential candidate blank and voted only in the down ticket races) are not "rejected" ballots and given the claims that some have been making about 1 million "discarded" ballots, I think its pretty important that these matters be described clearly and accurately.

Thus, what we know is that out of the total number of processed ballots, 58.95 percent of the 6.4 million unprocessed ballots were cast for a Democratic presidential primary candidate. If that same percentage is applied to the 2.6 million unprocessed ballots, it would mean that there are around 1.53 million unprocessed votes left to be counted that will be Democratic presidential primary votes. This assumes, as noted above, that all three categories of unprocessed ballots contain the same percentage of presidential and non-presidential ballots, which may not be the case. It also assumes that none of the provisional or other votes will be rejected. If we apply a pretty conservative rate of 10 percent to the provisionals (719,000) and other (72,000) and assume 100 percent of the mail-ins will count, we can subtract 79,100 ballots from the available pool it leaves around 1.3 million, or just half, of the unprocessed ballots available for Sanders to make up a 475,000 deficit.

That means Sanders would need roughly 68% of the remaining ballots to catch Clinton.

I think these calculations, while not precise and with a number of admittedly uncertain assumptions, present a pretty accurate picture of the hill Sanders would have to climb. But if there is some glaring error here, please let me know.



Edit to fix error where I failed to distinguish between all presidential primary ballots and Democratic presidential primary ballots and subsequent errors resulting from that error.

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #1
final update bernie 3,567.583 - hillary zero nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
Fun with California ballot numbers. LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #3
+ - = DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #4
Thanks for the interesting work. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #5
Say that you are right and he wins California (which won't happen, of course.) Then what? Squinch Jun 2016 #6
As I said in reply #9 pat_k Jun 2016 #10
since Hillary had enough delegates Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #7
See reply #10 pat_k Jun 2016 #11
Not all unprocesseded ballots are presidential primary ballots onenote Jun 2016 #8
I plan to redo in a couple days... pat_k Jun 2016 #9
When I re-read my post this morning I realized I had made a mistake in my calculations onenote Jun 2016 #22
Checked a couple counties pat_k Jun 2016 #24
In San Bernardino county Clinton is currently beating Sanders 56.1% - 42.6% ucrdem Jun 2016 #25
Split in ballots processed since last report is closer. pat_k Jun 2016 #27
Bravo! This post is excellent, you really should get generally better comments then the first few. pantsonfire Jun 2016 #12
Thanks for the encouraging post and numbers. pat_k Jun 2016 #14
Totally! Have you considered posting this on reddit? n/t pantsonfire Jun 2016 #17
Haven't considered. pat_k Jun 2016 #20
#berniemath! MaggieD Jun 2016 #13
Beltway sphincter! pat_k Jun 2016 #15
Yeah, I think Matt Taibbi is wrong MaggieD Jun 2016 #16
Good OP bhikkhu Jun 2016 #18
Thanks, pat. They don't want us to look too closely at the numbers. senz Jun 2016 #19
The problem is the necessary assumptions all break for Bernie. ucrdem Jun 2016 #21
I'm not "hanging my hat" on anything. pat_k Jun 2016 #23
A key point I think... LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #26
Details would be nice... pat_k Jun 2016 #28
Absolutley! LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #29
Some with small counts a/o 6/7 or 6/8 might pat_k Jun 2016 #30
ok That info about the process is helpful. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #31
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