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Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
6. I refer you to something I wrote on April 24:
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511824845

Here is the key-word for winning support: UNEQUIVOCAL.

You want my vote? Then I want to be able to trust Clinton.

You want me to trust her? Then she has to become unequivocal in her championing of positions I hold dear.

And that would start with the big trust-winner of them all: "I was wrong".

For Clinton to win my trust, she has to say, clearly, that she was wrong to oppose my marriage rights, and EXPLAIN why she changed her mind. If that is "I changed my mind because the polls changed" I might not like the answer as much as an "epiphanous moment", but at least I would know that she is for once speaking the truth.

For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong to promote the TPP, and here is why" and explain what she will do to bury that piece of sovereignty-undermining corporation-coddling.

For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong to give signs to Wall Street that I was for sale, and take bribe-sized speaking fees from them. From here on, my Wall Street policies will be copied straight from Elizabeth Warren's recommendations. Here are some examples, which I promise to implement IN FULL! And while we ladies are at it, I promise to let Bernie have a field day with Citizens United."

For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "Third Way is over. It should certainly not presume to rule the Democratic Party anymore. Which is why I have asked president Obama to dismiss the current useless chair, and appoint someone not in the pay of loan sharks and prison industry to replace her with immediate effect."

For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong on Iraq, wrong on Syria, wrong on Libya. I took the wrong advice from the wrong kind of so-called friends. I disavow those friends, and from hereon, I will take better advice, specifically from such-and-such."

I could go on, but you get my drift. For Clinton to win my vote, she'd have to start disavowing the things she did wrong. "but we must look forward now and by the way I am a woman" will not woo me.


And I might add that playing the Trump card won't woo me either. Why did the party leaders insist on nominating someone who didn't fare well in hypothetical match-ups, as opposed to the Vermont senator who would bury Trump in a landslide? Trump is irrelevant: I don't trust him any more than Clinton.

A (wo)man who is not afraid to admit (s)he has been wrong is a (wo)man who is not afraid to be right.

UNEQUIVOCAL.
recommended n/t ruggerson Jun 2016 #1
Thank you. There's an election to win. MineralMan Jun 2016 #2
I'm not sure she would accept what I would recommend. HassleCat Jun 2016 #3
Perhaps you're right. However, in 2008, Barack Obama MineralMan Jun 2016 #7
She takes no salary from CGI so I am missing your point I guess. Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #9
Yes, I see your point. HassleCat Jun 2016 #12
Excellent points. athena Jun 2016 #13
Agreed and here is another suggestion Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #4
Well, that's always true. There are many elected offices. MineralMan Jun 2016 #8
"If those who supported Senator Sanders get behind her campaign,"... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #5
Yes, one might say that, too, but it is unrealistic. MineralMan Jun 2016 #10
The fact that listening to Bernie supporters is considered "unrealistic" by the establishment NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #14
^^ This ^^ Scuba Jun 2016 #22
Yes the process is binary... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #15
I refer you to something I wrote on April 24: Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #6
You are one person with one vote. MineralMan Jun 2016 #11
consider me dissatisfied. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #16
How about this approach regards my own post-primary pivot? PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #17
I don't think HRC is interested in offering me or any other Sanders supporter anything. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #18
This is an ironic one. Just, she actually listens to the people. What so many criticize about her, seabeyond Jun 2016 #19
Naive post. She cares solely about what is good for her. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #20
Oh, so that's why she had her surrogates insult Sanders' supporters WolverineDG Jun 2016 #21
That's so cute, thinking that she would actually change based on what voters want. Adorable. Scuba Jun 2016 #23
Why should she be any different than other politicians? athena Jun 2016 #24
She won't be different (see below) and I never expect any pol to match my beliefs, exactly (canard). Scuba Jun 2016 #26
Naive as in: "Sanders can still win the nomination"? brooklynite Jun 2016 #25
Link please, as I don't recall ever posting such statements. Scuba Jun 2016 #27
But you were equally dismissive when you fellow Sanders supporters did? brooklynite Jun 2016 #29
So now you're claiming "phantom" approval? Get a life. Scuba Jun 2016 #30
She already knows what 'we' (I) think. She has known it for, what 26 years. pangaia Jun 2016 #28
The problem is that what she promises to get elected Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #31
Those are your assumptions about what she will do. MineralMan Jun 2016 #32
Past is prologue Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #33
She'll pivot right the second she thinks it's safe to do so. Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #34
Excellent OP. Thanks. oasis Jun 2016 #35
So if I show her support she'll campaign to end the War on Drugs, B Calm Jun 2016 #36
I can't speak for Hillary Clinton. MineralMan Jun 2016 #39
Lobby our delegates, nominee and office-holders unceasingly... Orsino Jun 2016 #37
Lobbying is a good idea. Here's what I have found: MineralMan Jun 2016 #40
people power HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #38
OK. But, I think the convention will be a peaceful one, MineralMan Jun 2016 #41
which holds more power in the end... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #42
Based on history, what happens on the convention floor MineralMan Jun 2016 #43
...influence... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #48
I've followed every convention since 1960. MineralMan Jun 2016 #49
...incorrect... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #50
I haven't previously seen an election season..... MaggieD Jun 2016 #44
Bernie's support included a lot of people who would MineralMan Jun 2016 #46
Don't I wish I could believe that. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #45
You will do as you choose to do. MineralMan Jun 2016 #47
Sorry, but you have reversed the process in your mind,imo. sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #51
She has not made an auspicious start tularetom Jun 2016 #52
As I have been saying for a solid year AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #55
Good post Mineral Man! Excellent points. nt Mr Maru Jun 2016 #53
Loved her Palinesque "Word salad" answer when confronted by someone going broke with Obamacare AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #54
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