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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton is a very smart person. She saw the support [View all]Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)6. I refer you to something I wrote on April 24:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511824845
Here is the key-word for winning support: UNEQUIVOCAL.
You want my vote? Then I want to be able to trust Clinton.
You want me to trust her? Then she has to become unequivocal in her championing of positions I hold dear.
And that would start with the big trust-winner of them all: "I was wrong".
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to say, clearly, that she was wrong to oppose my marriage rights, and EXPLAIN why she changed her mind. If that is "I changed my mind because the polls changed" I might not like the answer as much as an "epiphanous moment", but at least I would know that she is for once speaking the truth.
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong to promote the TPP, and here is why" and explain what she will do to bury that piece of sovereignty-undermining corporation-coddling.
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong to give signs to Wall Street that I was for sale, and take bribe-sized speaking fees from them. From here on, my Wall Street policies will be copied straight from Elizabeth Warren's recommendations. Here are some examples, which I promise to implement IN FULL! And while we ladies are at it, I promise to let Bernie have a field day with Citizens United."
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "Third Way is over. It should certainly not presume to rule the Democratic Party anymore. Which is why I have asked president Obama to dismiss the current useless chair, and appoint someone not in the pay of loan sharks and prison industry to replace her with immediate effect."
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong on Iraq, wrong on Syria, wrong on Libya. I took the wrong advice from the wrong kind of so-called friends. I disavow those friends, and from hereon, I will take better advice, specifically from such-and-such."
I could go on, but you get my drift. For Clinton to win my vote, she'd have to start disavowing the things she did wrong. "but we must look forward now and by the way I am a woman" will not woo me.
And I might add that playing the Trump card won't woo me either. Why did the party leaders insist on nominating someone who didn't fare well in hypothetical match-ups, as opposed to the Vermont senator who would bury Trump in a landslide? Trump is irrelevant: I don't trust him any more than Clinton.
A (wo)man who is not afraid to admit (s)he has been wrong is a (wo)man who is not afraid to be right.
UNEQUIVOCAL.
Here is the key-word for winning support: UNEQUIVOCAL.
You want my vote? Then I want to be able to trust Clinton.
You want me to trust her? Then she has to become unequivocal in her championing of positions I hold dear.
And that would start with the big trust-winner of them all: "I was wrong".
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to say, clearly, that she was wrong to oppose my marriage rights, and EXPLAIN why she changed her mind. If that is "I changed my mind because the polls changed" I might not like the answer as much as an "epiphanous moment", but at least I would know that she is for once speaking the truth.
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong to promote the TPP, and here is why" and explain what she will do to bury that piece of sovereignty-undermining corporation-coddling.
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong to give signs to Wall Street that I was for sale, and take bribe-sized speaking fees from them. From here on, my Wall Street policies will be copied straight from Elizabeth Warren's recommendations. Here are some examples, which I promise to implement IN FULL! And while we ladies are at it, I promise to let Bernie have a field day with Citizens United."
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "Third Way is over. It should certainly not presume to rule the Democratic Party anymore. Which is why I have asked president Obama to dismiss the current useless chair, and appoint someone not in the pay of loan sharks and prison industry to replace her with immediate effect."
For Clinton to win my trust, she has to clearly say: "I was wrong on Iraq, wrong on Syria, wrong on Libya. I took the wrong advice from the wrong kind of so-called friends. I disavow those friends, and from hereon, I will take better advice, specifically from such-and-such."
I could go on, but you get my drift. For Clinton to win my vote, she'd have to start disavowing the things she did wrong. "but we must look forward now and by the way I am a woman" will not woo me.
And I might add that playing the Trump card won't woo me either. Why did the party leaders insist on nominating someone who didn't fare well in hypothetical match-ups, as opposed to the Vermont senator who would bury Trump in a landslide? Trump is irrelevant: I don't trust him any more than Clinton.
A (wo)man who is not afraid to admit (s)he has been wrong is a (wo)man who is not afraid to be right.
UNEQUIVOCAL.
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The fact that listening to Bernie supporters is considered "unrealistic" by the establishment
NorthCarolina
Jun 2016
#14
I don't think HRC is interested in offering me or any other Sanders supporter anything.
aikoaiko
Jun 2016
#18
This is an ironic one. Just, she actually listens to the people. What so many criticize about her,
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#19
That's so cute, thinking that she would actually change based on what voters want. Adorable.
Scuba
Jun 2016
#23
She won't be different (see below) and I never expect any pol to match my beliefs, exactly (canard).
Scuba
Jun 2016
#26
Loved her Palinesque "Word salad" answer when confronted by someone going broke with Obamacare
AgingAmerican
Jun 2016
#54