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samson212

(83 posts)
199. Thanks! Information is good!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jun 2016

I think the most important thing, particularly at this point in the election cycle but really all the time, is to try to get at the truth. If the people who want to represent us are doing things we don't agree with, we have to hold them accountable. That doesn't mean that we hate them, or that they haven't passed a "purity test", just that we need transparency and disclosure when possible!

I agree that politics is an expectation game, but I don't agree that the level of purity that I'm looking for doesn't exist. I'll admit that it's a pretty high bar. I don't generally think that politicians will measure up in my mind; I'm used to being disappointed. In 2008, I was very excited by the idea that we could get a candidate (Obama) that talked the right talk. Unfortunately, he wasn't the progressive I'd hoped for. That's not to say that I hate him, or that I repudiate him, just that I have been disappointed by the gap between my expectations and what he delivered.

All that said, Bernie Sanders is a candidate that lives up to my expectations. I had not heard the story about pressure on a bank to give a loan. Are you talking about the thing I with the catholic church that I just found out about from google? That article is from Heat Street, which, according to Inquisitr, is owned by News Corp. Fox News is also all over this story, as has been the Daily Caller. Without a more in-depth investigation, I'm going to assume that this is a right wing manufactured scandal. As for Bernie's taxes, yes, he released some of them, which showed that there's no there there. I have seen them. Why do you think this keeps coming up? Do you think he's hiding something?

Anyways, as you said, no politician is perfect. I can't think of anybody that comes closer to disproving your point than Bernie, but I suppose you're right, nonetheless. No one is perfect.

I, unfortunately, agree 98% with the rest of your post. It's a sad state of affairs we've got. The system we have selects for participants who can play by insane rules, and work towards goals that are completely divorced from those that a rational government should have. However, I think you're wrong that you have to play the game to get the power to change the system. The thing that I (and hopefully a whole bunch of voters) have realized over this election cycle is that we already have the power to change the system. We just have to stand up and make it happen, instead of waiting till election day to vote for a candidate who we hope will do it for us. That candidate would have to play by the rules. And that's not how you win a fixed game.

See, money only works as a cudgel in politics when individual voters aren't directly holding their elected officials accountable. If more voters were members of party committees, the platform would necessarily reflect more accurately the will of the electorate; if more people ran in local primaries, there was more choice available to the voters; if there were more citizens in each Congressman's office each day than there were corporate lobbyists, it wouldn't matter how much those lobbyists had given to the Congressman. And as for fundraising, as the Sanders campaign has demonstrated, individual voters actually have more than enough money in their collective pockets to outspend even the most determined political machine.

Wow. I got way off topic on that one. Anyway, thanks for being a rational person and wanting to have a conversation. It's refreshing.

6 days MFM008 Jun 2016 #1
They're going to use every day to keep pounding at the scandal beat. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #5
We're in this together... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #16
Except some are more equal than others All in it together Jun 2016 #156
After that, we'll never know what will hit us. nt Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #20
Sure we will, you think Trump, et. al. will let anything slip past them? George II Jun 2016 #86
No, I'm saying we won't get advance notice here. Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #189
+1 apcalc Jun 2016 #52
5, and counting... SidDithers Jun 2016 #57
Now 5 days and counting still_one Jun 2016 #76
What's the problem with the OP? samson212 Jun 2016 #83
Attacking the Democratic nominee with speculative "scandal", that's the problem. George II Jun 2016 #87
It's hardly an attack samson212 Jun 2016 #98
You're new. It's practically protocal here now. This is Hillary Central. libdem4life Jun 2016 #138
New to posting, not to the site. samson212 Jun 2016 #147
Ah, yes sit is crazy. All she has to do is come clean. What a concept. libdem4life Jun 2016 #186
Refute creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #151
Thanks! samson212 Jun 2016 #162
maybe you havent heard the news. It is not speculative, and she is not yet the nominee swhisper1 Jun 2016 #165
I agree. zenabby Jun 2016 #187
Thanks! Information is good! samson212 Jun 2016 #199
5 more days of Republican talking points on a Democratic site. nt DesertRat Jun 2016 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author John Poet Jun 2016 #171
What a mess. Wilms Jun 2016 #2
You know I read the article and it is meaningless... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #27
Is this the "nothing" you are referring to? Wilms Jun 2016 #70
So what is the point? Lots of subjective speculation. But since you said it, looks like.... George II Jun 2016 #88
No speculation required. Wilms Jun 2016 #97
Supposition and innuendo...and read the last paragraph. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #122
Oh, my. SheilaT Jun 2016 #3
Thank you for the post! Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #4
She's a disaster. I cannot support this. We can wait another four years for our first woman prez. reformist2 Jun 2016 #6
Sure and by then Roe v. Wade will be dismantled justiceischeap Jun 2016 #10
If our SDs are doing any thinking at all, which I doubt we jwirr Jun 2016 #94
Clinton says she can compromise on Roe v. Wade senz Jun 2016 #106
right, like that will happen swhisper1 Jun 2016 #166
Okay, believe what you will. justiceischeap Jun 2016 #170
You start with "I" and the move to "we". NCTraveler Jun 2016 #11
You are so foolish Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #26
lolz you guys! obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #31
I can wait. I will wait. 840high Jun 2016 #34
You and me both. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #39
That's what they said about GWB. athena Jun 2016 #159
His specialty - high frequency trading - could benefit from insider info unc70 Jun 2016 #7
He contributed $1 million to the Clinton Foundation. senz Jun 2016 #107
Technological Know How Octafish Jun 2016 #8
So fucking corrupt Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #9
This kind of stuff is really disturbing and there is so much of it arikara Jun 2016 #61
unfortunately I can't agree Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #62
How old are you - 5? Obviously it's not just Trump that has to make up silly ohheckyeah Jun 2016 #74
Do you mean "hillarians"? samson212 Jun 2016 #81
... AzDar Jun 2016 #12
There, there, now. Let it all out. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #13
Do I really seem upset to you? NWCorona Jun 2016 #14
You'll find out in due time. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #15
I guess we will. NWCorona Jun 2016 #17
Indeed. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #18
All of them Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #25
So any article that covers a wrong doing by Hillary is an attack piece? NWCorona Jun 2016 #29
Yes-We support our nominee...and this is a bullshit article. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #30
It is not bs, it is a serious security matter- another security infraction swhisper1 Jun 2016 #163
How about an mainstream news article covering a wrong by DesertRat Jun 2016 #93
Nope! Check those threads here. You don't see me crying uncle in them. NWCorona Jun 2016 #99
Absolutely...bashing the nominee is pointless and stupid. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #120
exposing a person who is not yet the nominee makes absolute sense, and if she swhisper1 Jun 2016 #164
DU will all be the Hillary Clinton Group. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #154
That means ALL Democrats right? Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #108
I don't think you should attack Democrats...let the GOP do that. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #121
Back off the "You" stuff Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #142
So, if someone here brings up Debbie Wasserman Schultz campaigning for Republicans, when Democrats -none Jun 2016 #158
+1 tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #19
Your shit begins in November. 840high Jun 2016 #35
What does that even mean? Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #190
What shit is that? tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #58
On June 16th, you take take your fingers out of your ears. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #80
I look forward to your efforts in defeating Trump. Haranguing about how "flawed, seriously flawed"… NurseJackie Jun 2016 #95
My actions were to nominate the candidate who has the best chance to defeat Trump, IMO. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #119
The ship has sailed Bernie will not be the nominee Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #124
Bashing Clinton to help Trump? chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #139
That fight is over. Cope. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #137
Nope. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #140
Enjoy it while it lasts. Just a few days remain. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #141
And then your bubblesphere will be closed. Got it. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #143
Vote or don't vote ... Do as you please. But... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #145
Is there anything about Hillary you don't like or wish she would change? chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #146
Your games bore me. Tick tock... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #148
Ditto. Welcome to ignore. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #160
There's just one more thing I'd like to say... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #169
Didn't see your post! This is just tip of iceberg; imagine the emails that are not being released u amborin Jun 2016 #21
The problem for Hillary is the fact that this has crossed over to the mainstream media. NWCorona Jun 2016 #22
here's a scary one: emails show approved drone strikes with cell phone: amborin Jun 2016 #37
Oh no not a cell phone! -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #68
The mainstream media has always been happy to uncritically report BS from fring RW sites. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #67
It has been everywhere and it is still right wing Bull shit that is going nowhere. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #125
Five days of this shites. Enjoy yourself while you can. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #23
She is the guilty one in this. So much baggage. 840high Jun 2016 #36
She is the nominee so tough luck. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #123
Yes it is tough luck 840high Jun 2016 #133
Y'all use the same stupid fucking talking points... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #59
Yes - I've noticed. 840high Jun 2016 #134
Once more, basic journalism questions are never even asked. randome Jun 2016 #24
Nice misdirection samson212 Jun 2016 #79
A hedge fund manager? The President of Ploughshares Fund? randome Jun 2016 #90
Really? OK, I'll do the due diligence for those readers who will just take you at your word. samson212 Jun 2016 #100
Thank you. senz Jun 2016 #109
You're right, I didn't Google everyone on the list. You did. So...no misleading from me. randome Jun 2016 #111
Robert rose....more than a hedge fund manager pottedplant Jun 2016 #144
Huh! Thanks for the info! samson212 Jun 2016 #149
He had qualifications creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #152
Brock forgot to add these links pottedplant Jun 2016 #174
OK, we're too far down the rabbit hole for my taste. samson212 Jun 2016 #150
More BS from the Bernie of Bust crowd...June 16th can't come soon enough. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #28
Did I say it was illegal? It's hard to get busted when you right the laws. NWCorona Jun 2016 #33
Sigh mcar Jun 2016 #32
Not really. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #65
Bookmarked. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #38
.. tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #60
Heckuva job, Hillary chascarrillo Jun 2016 #40
The search for new outrages continues. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #41
Search? It comes freely to us. No searching needed. NWCorona Jun 2016 #47
True ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #71
The right wing is always willing to oblige fellow travelers Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #127
rw rw rw rw polly want a cracker? 840high Jun 2016 #135
Thursday, June 16th workinclasszero Jun 2016 #42
The Clinton's are always in the center of bullshit pinebox Jun 2016 #43
The board is an unpaid, volunteer position. randome Jun 2016 #44
This guy's skill set wasn't applicable to the board he was appointed to. NWCorona Jun 2016 #48
Few of the members on the board have nuclear science credentials. randome Jun 2016 #49
Did any of them have to resign less than 48hrs after their credentials were questioned? NWCorona Jun 2016 #50
I don't understand why that occurred. Obviously something was 'wrong' about the appointment. randome Jun 2016 #51
Point taken NWCorona Jun 2016 #55
Follow that link before making any claims about it! samson212 Jun 2016 #82
A hedge fund manager has relevant experience? randome Jun 2016 #89
Just stop. You're hurting the truth. samson212 Jun 2016 #101
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #53
No it isn't just my opinion. ABC tried to get that answer and alarm bells went of at State Dept. NWCorona Jun 2016 #54
You're right about the "bullshit" part. annavictorious Jun 2016 #77
Speaking of bullshit... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #102
Thanks for that, Miles. senz Jun 2016 #110
Thank you. 840high Jun 2016 #136
He was so qualified he resigned after a few days. Hillary knows how to pick them.... think Jun 2016 #45
Please edit to conform to the TOS. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #46
"Clinton is so fortunate..." dchill Jun 2016 #56
I heard she puts ketchup on her hotdogs. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #63
Story is growing legs... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #64
The hell it does. Couldn't have less "legs." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #66
pay to play... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #69
No, Great charity. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #128
principle HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #131
Isn't it time to stop this kind of OP? SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #72
Trump is in heaven over this story. I see him on CNN talking about this. So to answer your question jillan Jun 2016 #73
Next Thursday. okasha Jun 2016 #75
lol, legitimate news about Hillary is "trash?" senz Jun 2016 #112
If you ever post any legitimate news about Hillary, okasha Jun 2016 #115
no, valid discussion is always educational swhisper1 Jun 2016 #167
5 and half days and there will be no more posting VILE right wing crap on this board. Shame on you. riversedge Jun 2016 #78
5 and half days and there will be no more meta discussion on this board. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #84
How is this right wing? pottedplant Jun 2016 #85
It doesn't matter Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #126
Defense creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #155
Brock? pottedplant Jun 2016 #173
See #174 pottedplant Jun 2016 #175
Too bad you can't stop the media from reporting news about Hill. senz Jun 2016 #113
its just the first chapter of her defrocking. RICO is in her driveway swhisper1 Jun 2016 #168
Oh yes, a "plum" spot on a board that doesn't pay anything. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #91
It's inside information pottedplant Jun 2016 #103
He was a big donor who wanted to play "Policy Big Shot" by sitting on a prestigious board as a peer Midwestern Democrat Jun 2016 #116
The time to post every alleged Clinton scandal that man has ever invented, is over. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #96
So all she has going for her is Trump? senz Jun 2016 #114
Exactly right...the primary is over. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #129
The Clinton scandals were "getting old" in fucking 1993. John Poet Jun 2016 #172
So she beats Trump, and we have her, but a lot of people want more. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #183
This guy/donor, Rajiv Fernando was some kind of financial whiz, right? TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #104
You are being sarcastic, right? pottedplant Jun 2016 #105
Nope. I always try to deduce another reason to explain a situation. TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #117
that's really pathetic pottedplant Jun 2016 #118
No, you read up on it. In fact, make it your Bible.... TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #188
You set a very low bar pottedplant Jun 2016 #193
You just don't get it, do you? I don't care what she may have done, TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #198
New so-called "Hillary scandal" ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #130
Is Benghazi still checked too? LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #182
Does that make it easier to deal with this story? NWCorona Jun 2016 #185
Not good. Barack_America Jun 2016 #132
Love the Hill post that can't wait for us to go. peace13 Jun 2016 #153
This is nothing. I imagine he was added because he had a relationship with someone on the council underthematrix Jun 2016 #157
Now you're just making shit up. pottedplant Jun 2016 #177
I'm sure Fernando was one of many pay to play swhisper1 Jun 2016 #161
tick tock.. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #176
I'm not worried at all NWCorona Jun 2016 #179
4 days and counting... stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #180
Like I said I'll be fine. NWCorona Jun 2016 #181
Until you go into your darkness. senz Jun 2016 #184
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #178
4 days until RW lies and propaganda are banned from DU workinclasszero Jun 2016 #191
Gotta love the thought police NWCorona Jun 2016 #192
Taking out all the right wing trash that would fit right in at Freak Republic workinclasszero Jun 2016 #194
So CNN, ABC, NBC are RW trash now? NWCorona Jun 2016 #195
You will find out in 4 days I guess workinclasszero Jun 2016 #196
That we will! NWCorona Jun 2016 #197
I hope this doesn't get me into trouble but I only heard about this case today Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #200
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