2016 Postmortem

peace13

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111. You have to consider that Clinton has baggage that some will never forgive..

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:58 AM

Jun 2016

...real and true discrepancies in her communication and actions. It's not so much about Bernie. She has written her story and people have been paying attention. You can't change that. People who are willing to take a big swallow and vote for Hill have not lived long enough to understand that the only way to write future history is to take a stand and make a difference.

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I'm an anti-war Democrat. Please help me accept Hillary! [View all] tecelote Jun 2016 OP

Learn to love Big Brother, isn't it time? yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #1

OK - You sound knowledgeable... tecelote Jun 2016 #3

I am always too late for the green. The read and orange taste like ass :) yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #4

Republicans. tecelote Jun 2016 #5

Close your eyes, remain financially secure and you won't ever have to worry NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #2

Yes. Swallow hard. tecelote Jun 2016 #19

Is this a series question or are you trying to make us bust our guts with chuckles? yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #6

Don't know. What do chuckles taste like? tecelote Jun 2016 #7

Chuckles are primo primo with a soupçon of rosbif' and grabies yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #10

Let me know when and where. tecelote Jun 2016 #15

It's in the mail yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #17

All I need is a bus ticket. tecelote Jun 2016 #21

It's totally series. Tecelote is bringing up a hugh issue. Please don't cast asparagus at him. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #128

Looks like we'll just have to OWL our way thru! yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #130

When she voted for the AUMF Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #8

Please show me where Hillary pushed for peace. tecelote Jun 2016 #13

Don't worry. Hillary will put us on a sound war footing. yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #18

I hope this is sarcasm. tecelote Jun 2016 #20

sadly, that is her stated desire swhisper1 Jun 2016 #86

Sorry, but the AUMF gave Dimson sole and unfettered discretion. merrily Jun 2016 #79

The "Whereas" clauses... RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #105

Yep. All else is bs. merrily Jun 2016 #115

Read the damn IWR. It authorized Bush to invade Iraq should Vattel Jun 2016 #88

The inspectors didn't get to do their job, Bush told them to fuck off so he could invade. killbotfactory Jun 2016 #90

Who would have thought use of military force would come from the Authorization to Use Military Force Scootaloo Jun 2016 #129

On Libya... Celebrandil Jun 2016 #9

how have you ever accepted any Democratic president? wyldwolf Jun 2016 #11

Sorry for having high expectations. tecelote Jun 2016 #16

not even close to answering the question. Doesn't matter, though. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #29

No. You're right. I should accept the status quo. tecelote Jun 2016 #31

I believe you did move toward accepting Hillary Hortensis Jun 2016 #92

Can we ONLY elect Democratic presidents on a "bear any burden, fight any foe" defense policy? Ken Burch Jun 2016 #75

Her "better angels" will emerge once she is the one making the final decisions. DCBob Jun 2016 #12

God, I hope you are right. tecelote Jun 2016 #14

I feel I know her from all the years following the Clintons. DCBob Jun 2016 #24

I hope you are right. tecelote Jun 2016 #32

Totally agree on hawkish tendencies. DCBob Jun 2016 #36

Agree 100% tecelote Jun 2016 #41

The campaigning is not over in the first term Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #78

I have a feeling she may not seek reelection. DCBob Jun 2016 #99

sorry, her decisions lead to disaster. I see no strength or honor but I give you her obsessive ambit swhisper1 Jun 2016 #83

this one response puts your whole premis into the garbage Sheepshank Jun 2016 #121

As the saying goes...you can wish in one hand and $&it in the other.... peace13 Jun 2016 #113

She'll be much, much more likely to resolve international problems by negotiation than pampango Jun 2016 #22

Agreed. tecelote Jun 2016 #25

I don't think you really want to accept Hillary. athena Jun 2016 #94

Yes, I think so too. DCBob Jun 2016 #26

a very low bar swhisper1 Jun 2016 #85

Yes, her SOS work shows us how she can solve problems peacefully! peace13 Jun 2016 #102

If you don't think she respects international law more than Trump, then we fundamentally disagree. pampango Jun 2016 #108

I am saying that she has real history and real enemies that will not take her presidency lying down! peace13 Jun 2016 #110

I don't share your optimism that Trump is a 'fool tool' who would be 'silenced by his handlers'. pampango Jun 2016 #119

What wars did HRC start? I must have missed the memo. Rex Jun 2016 #23

OMG. Wake up. tecelote Jun 2016 #28

Again, what war did she start? I am fully awake and watched the BFEE destroy most of the world. Rex Jun 2016 #30

Supported. tecelote Jun 2016 #34

Okay so you are saying she started wars in Honduras, Libya and Syria. Rex Jun 2016 #37

Good response. I hope you are right and she will bring peace to the Middle East. tecelote Jun 2016 #43

I share your hope and of course I could be wrong too none of us can read her mind. Rex Jun 2016 #46

You and I are not too far apart. tecelote Jun 2016 #53

No not at all, we are both anti-war Dems. Rex Jun 2016 #55

It is not our job or duty to be involved in those conflicts- we just make it worse swhisper1 Jun 2016 #87

She urged Obama to go into Libya and get rid of Qaddafi. Vattel Jun 2016 #89

Either you will be wrong or Robert Kagan, Henry Kissinger and the neocons supporting HRC stillwaiting Jun 2016 #103

The Cons have a proven record of being wrong most of the time. Rex Jun 2016 #120

Can't be done. Sorry. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #27

Not possible. Where will her first conflict escalation be and which war stocks will do best? icecreamfan Jun 2016 #33

Hillary will have to deal with Russia. tecelote Jun 2016 #35

I'd look at the companies with the most donations and closest Clinton ties if I were into that icecreamfan Jun 2016 #40

I would rather it be someone adversarial to Russia, then someone that is a friend to the dictator. Rex Jun 2016 #49

Did you withhold your vote from John Kerry based on his Iraq vote? annavictorious Jun 2016 #38

I hold all candidates to the same standards. tecelote Jun 2016 #51

It would have been nice if this was a genuine topic Tarc Jun 2016 #39

I need to see concrete evidence. Rex Jun 2016 #42

Make light of it (I am - to my own regret). But peace is not something we discuss enough. tecelote Jun 2016 #45

What would you like to do to this point in time? Negotiate with ISIS? Tarc Jun 2016 #72

Then why would you vote Sanders? He was on board with everything but one vote, for drones. seabeyond Jun 2016 #44

I think Sanders is better but not perfect. tecelote Jun 2016 #47

I do not see how Sanders is better. He is way less informed, refuses to do the homework and is seabeyond Jun 2016 #66

Excellent answer. athena Jun 2016 #96

I just read Sanders made a statement yesterday, ISIS must be taken out. Hmmm, military, much. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #97

I suggest people read your transparency page and consider your well-earned FFR Scootaloo Jun 2016 #131

Easy MaggieD Jun 2016 #48

So, she is better tha Trump. Agreed. tecelote Jun 2016 #54

Why? If you live in Florida or Ohio, I'll send you a clothespin. Otherwise join us Paradise Tanagers Vote2016 Jun 2016 #50

It's easy. FDR, JFK, PBJ all fought wars. Bernie voted for more than Hillary. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #52

Doesn't make it right. tecelote Jun 2016 #58

Pacifism doesn't ensure peace. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #63

Considering we are experiencing the longest period of war in U.S. history... tecelote Jun 2016 #65

I don't accept Hillary quaker bill Jun 2016 #56

I think there is one good reason MFM008 Jun 2016 #57

Funny (but not really) bvf Jun 2016 #59

Yup. It's the profit motive. tecelote Jun 2016 #60

If we are doomed, then let the play commence and the actors take the stage. Rex Jun 2016 #61

I don't care about myself so much anymore bvf Jun 2016 #71

If it helps TheFarseer Jun 2016 #62

...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #64

bernie is PRO-WAR. did you vote for him? He loves to spend billions on the war & killing machine msongs Jun 2016 #67

Hillary doesn't? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #69

Get real TheFarseer Jun 2016 #70

He voted for the F-35s because they were made in his state. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #73

The F-35 isn't made in Vermont, it's built in Fort Worth, Texas tammywammy Jun 2016 #100

the F-35 was going forward no matter how Bernie voted-we'd already 'sold'* some to Israel azurnoir Jun 2016 #82

This time she'll be different. A kinder, gentler, Hillary will emerge. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #68

This time, no more Mrs. Nice Gal! yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #127

You don't need to accept her. It's up to you alone whether you do or not. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #74

No I am sorry I can not help you. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #76

Do you want authoritarianism in America? Tiggeroshii Jun 2016 #77

Trump JHB Jun 2016 #80

you are the first person who knows what Trump will do swhisper1 Jun 2016 #84

No, I can't Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #81

No one with any sense about issues of war and peace can accept Hillary Vattel Jun 2016 #91

She comes with her own ready collection of enemies. peace13 Jun 2016 #104

Close your eyes and think of England Fumesucker Jun 2016 #93

Have you tried a clothes pin? B Calm Jun 2016 #95

Three days of petty insults left... brooklynite Jun 2016 #98

Damn tiring. Nt. seabeyond Jun 2016 #106

The time is more than right.... peace13 Jun 2016 #101

Four words are all I have for you: Donald "Pig-Vomit" Trump... other than that, I can't help you. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #107

One of the most difficult areas to sell progressives on with respect to Clinton. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #109

You have to consider that Clinton has baggage that some will never forgive.. peace13 Jun 2016 #111

Most of that story is written by people that fear her, are jealous and petty. Sanders jumped on seabeyond Jun 2016 #112

I simply meant what I said. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #118

If you don't mind me asking, what is a okieinpain Jun 2016 #114

Binary argument. It's meant to suggest that if someone supports Hillary, then they are "pro-war" ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #116

Thanks. N/t okieinpain Jun 2016 #125

You Might Want to Check Out This Video... kadaholo Jun 2016 #117

You're on your own. EndElectoral Jun 2016 #122

take a good course on Reality and forget the bumper sticker/sound bytes you've seen/heard Bill USA Jun 2016 #123

Someone remind me how when Sanders is president all wars are going to MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #124

I don't have hope for America. Someone stole my Bernie sign this weekend. valerief Jun 2016 #126

President Obama knows and understands Hillary's approach to international issues Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #132