2016 Postmortem

Octafish

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194. That same crowd partied during Dien Bien Phu.

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:20 PM

Jun 2016

President by Treason Nixon wanted U.S. to nuke Dien Bien Phu as a favor to DeGaulle and the colonialists.

President Kennedy wanted the exact opposite: Peace, Democracy and Freedom for all, including the former colonies of the world.

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You know what's WORSE than mass murder? [View all] Octafish Jun 2016 OP

Trash and ignore. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #1

Yes, we know because she is perfect as we all well know and has never done wrong. LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #7

+100000! n/t 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #24

Trump and this post SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #70

Absolutely right. randome Jun 2016 #73

The OP was primarily a rant against the horrors & waste of warfare 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #84

No, it wasn't SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #86

Which makes her subsequent actions as a Secretary of State all the more questionable. Octafish Jun 2016 #89

They don't care about facts. Scuba Jun 2016 #115

Oh boy Octafish...I give you a lot of credit.. choie Jun 2016 #202

yes, and the sociopaths who push for it. Her worship is proud of that swhisper1 Jun 2016 #182

As she said, "war is a business opportunity" dflprincess Jun 2016 #215

wow, way to miss the point, holy cow! 2banon Jun 2016 #154

...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #131

La! La! La! La! Nah! Nah! Nah! Nah! MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #113

Stick head in sand, bvar22 Jun 2016 #122

typical willful blindness AntiBank Jun 2016 #178

War for Profit *IS* mass murder! JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #2

How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk Octafish Jun 2016 #28

gotta love that bernie guy voting to pay for all this killing every year, year after year nt msongs Jun 2016 #3

Someone has to fund the soldiers Hillary voted to send to war. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #5

Sanders did more than that, he voted to keep the troops in Afghanistan still_one Jun 2016 #102

Ssssshhhh... MrWendel Jun 2016 #116

i'm sorry, I forgot about the TOS still_one Jun 2016 #118

4... MrWendel Jun 2016 #119

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! still_one Jun 2016 #120

Yep, 4 more days till you can't post crap about Bernie. Good. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #135

More than 4 days... MrWendel Jun 2016 #159

What grief process is that? I am continuing to work on getting progressives elected Live and Learn Jun 2016 #160

And you can't see the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #134

That is the most vile... tonedevil Jun 2016 #32

and Sanders voted to keep the troops in Afghanistan also. However, it isn't as vile as this OP who still_one Jun 2016 #103

Oh so let's politicize bathrooms but heaven forfend we speak @ this? riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author floppyboo Jun 2016 #176

From my point of view, you are wrong. Now, immediately, is the time to politicize this floppyboo Jun 2016 #179

I agree with you completely, but unless Congress cooperates, it will be still_one Jun 2016 #184

Is that the only way a law can be changed? floppyboo Jun 2016 #185

Or get a Congressman to intorduce a bill floppyboo Jun 2016 #188

Right now the Democrats don't have the majority in both house of Congress, so I still_one Jun 2016 #192

with a bill you need Congress. The question is could he do an executive action? still_one Jun 2016 #190

War is mass murder on an epic scale. At least one candidate apparently doesn't get that. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #4

Remember Col. Westhusing Octafish Jun 2016 #36

Bernie kept the F-35 war machine alive workinclasszero Jun 2016 #6

You mean the onew that haven't been used. Betting Hillary will find a way to use them. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #10

Oh so its ok to build weapons of mass destruction and still remain holy as long as you don't workinclasszero Jun 2016 #15

Are you saying Hillary wouldn't want these? These were being built with or without Bernie, Live and Learn Jun 2016 #19

Jeebus, that is so ridiculous. Do you think we should not have a military? Vattel Jun 2016 #11

What do you plant with cluster munitions and depleted uranium? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #78

We do tend to lose sight of that, don't we? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #8

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Octafish Jun 2016 #40

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #9

OFFS. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #12

You never did answer whether you were in the Judge Advocate General's Corps. Octafish Jun 2016 #21

That long NY Times Magazine article is excellent. Thanks. eom PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #33

When did you ask me that? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #87

I can't find it now. I thought back when Charlie Hebdo suspect said Abu Ghraib made him attack. Octafish Jun 2016 #214

I've never worked as a prosecutor. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #217

Really disappointed we can do it Jun 2016 #13

War is a Racket.'' -- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC Octafish Jun 2016 #57

Using the occasion of hate crime for this is why I'm disappointed. we can do it Jun 2016 #79

It was either a hate crime or an act of terrorism. Octafish Jun 2016 #96

Bernie said he would continue to use drones. Just that he would do it better. i bet Obama felt the bettyellen Jun 2016 #100

Yes, that truly bothered me. Octafish Jun 2016 #126

It surprised me how rarely his supporters talk about that. bettyellen Jun 2016 #151

There's no comparison to what Sec. Clinton is reported to have done with drones. Octafish Jun 2016 #193

How are we supposed to talk about it, other than to condemn the illegal drone strikes Hydra Jun 2016 #219

War is legalized mass murder Hydra Jun 2016 #14

Thank you. Octafish Jun 2016 #168

How many wedding parties have we broken up with missiles? Downwinder Jun 2016 #16

Don't forget the double back to kill those that come to aid the wounded. JEB Jun 2016 #129

My momma use to always say "Turn tragedy into political opportunism before the bodies are identified qdouble Jun 2016 #17

You know who else understands that? Octafish Jun 2016 #23

It's not that I don't expect tragedies to become political issues... qdouble Jun 2016 #37

All good points, Octafish. Duval Jun 2016 #18

Remember when LA-MOCA had to whitewash its mural? Octafish Jun 2016 #170

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #20

do these two things really need to be compared - one being "worse" than the other? DrDan Jun 2016 #22

This is why ''comparisons are odious,'' as the poet said. Octafish Jun 2016 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jun 2016 #25

An attempt was made to censor this OP. senz Jun 2016 #26

Every day, innocent people die -- VICTIMS OF WAR Octafish Jun 2016 #195

As an LGBT person I just want to say..... MaggieD Jun 2016 #27

Classless. Opportunistic. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #31

So, do you think 500,000 dead Iraqi children is ''worth it''? Octafish Jun 2016 #38

Three more days MaggieD Jun 2016 #39

Three days. 72 hours. 0.42 Weeks. 0.09863 Months. 4320 Minutes. 259200 Seconds. * NurseJackie Jun 2016 #44

Ah, Clinton math MaggieD Jun 2016 #48

Are you really a nurse? Octafish Jun 2016 #49

Avert your eyes. Octafish Jun 2016 #46

I told you it was a waste of time to talk about these things. Rex Jun 2016 #88

Princess Weathervane's Ostrich Army to the rescue! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #167

Just like Bernie, eh? MaggieD Jun 2016 #169

"tu quoque" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #171

So it's okay if Bernie does it MaggieD Jun 2016 #172

"straw man" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #177

Cuba head sanctions for longer. joshcryer Jun 2016 #83

Four more days... CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #52

The poster has a history of linking to homophobic conspiracy theorist writers... SidDithers Jun 2016 #92

Sickening MaggieD Jun 2016 #105

SidDithers of DU, a smear artist. Octafish Jun 2016 #173

Don Fulsom has written that Nixon was gay... SidDithers Jun 2016 #180

Is smearing by association your hobby? Octafish Jun 2016 #181

Madsen thinks Rubio is gay... SidDithers Jun 2016 #183

You never stop smearing. Octafish Jun 2016 #186

I don't like homophobes...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #187

So why smear me? Octafish Jun 2016 #191

K&R -- for three more days of honest reporting. senz Jun 2016 #29

Tick tock ... Three more days! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #30

So in three days, she'll have had nothing to do with the Iraq war... Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #132

Democrats have spoken. Cope. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #136

Cope with all of those things I mentioned? Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #140

Tough shit. Pissed? Deal with it. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #148

Wow Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #150

I only "might be" the worst? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #152

Jury results edbermac Jun 2016 #157

Apparently in three days we're no longer allowed to question dflprincess Jun 2016 #218

Yeah, I don't knwo why Bernie voted for Afghanistan...bad decision Bernie. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #34

He didn't vote to keep Afghanistan an open-ended quagmire. Octafish Jun 2016 #212

trashing nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #35

Kicked and recced!! eom Arazi Jun 2016 #41

If you were a decent caring person you would delete this post postatomic Jun 2016 #42

Yeah, because a few words on a computer screen may remind people not to kill one another in war. Octafish Jun 2016 #51

Yeah, like you really give a shit about people being killed postatomic Jun 2016 #66

Don't even pretend that you care notadmblnd Jun 2016 #209

+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #93

One of the worst posts in DU history n/t gollygee Jun 2016 #45

What's worst? Trying to stop war or shaming someone who writes about it? Octafish Jun 2016 #54

A whole bunch of people just died gollygee Jun 2016 #55

Not meant that way at all. It is a post about war versus peace. Octafish Jun 2016 #58

At leazt bave tbe integrity to admit okasha Jun 2016 #91

Nowhere do I diminish the horror of the tragedy in Orlando. Octafish Jun 2016 #141

Of course you do. okasha Jun 2016 #144

Well, the OP does show empathy and concern for the dead and wounded zappaman Jun 2016 #147

And he doesn't get what's wrong with that. okasha Jun 2016 #149

People are touting gun control everywhere here... Duppers Jun 2016 #110

+ a million. A trifecta of being tasteless, tone deaf and absolutely disgusting Number23 Jun 2016 #130

I appreciate the thread and effort you always make, Octafish. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #47

Wow, riffing the mass murder today, using it to attack Hillary Tarc Jun 2016 #50

Give it time. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #53

Disgusting RandySF Jun 2016 #56

No kidding. Octafish Jun 2016 #61

Your OP is lower than low. RandySF Jun 2016 #71

I didn't order an illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous invasion of Iraq. Octafish Jun 2016 #97

We shouldn't politicize this awful event Fumesucker Jun 2016 #59

Stay classy, Octafish of DU. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #60

Yeah. I'm trying to stop wars for profit and Dr Hobbitstein is pointing out my hypocrisy. Octafish Jun 2016 #64

You are disgusting. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #65

Never a comment on what I post, just personal remarks. Octafish Jun 2016 #67

I'm embarrassed by the neocons/warmongers in the Democratic Party icecreamfan Jun 2016 #62

It may be a case of the PNAC. Octafish Jun 2016 #69

Didn't Robert Kagan endorse Clinton? Is Kristol going to follow? icecreamfan Jun 2016 #75

Waves of Neocon Octafish Jun 2016 #81

Congrats on your new low! zappaman Jun 2016 #63

Really, zappaman: mass murder and illegal war are both wrong. Octafish Jun 2016 #74

nope, that isn't what he is saying. He is saying you are using the tragedy in Florida in a not so still_one Jun 2016 #101

Congratulations on yet another mindless comparison based on absolutely ... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #114

Inappropriate today. n/t Chan790 Jun 2016 #68

Couldn't even give those murdered one day of respect, I see... Spazito Jun 2016 #72

Yes its kind of like SwampG8r Jun 2016 #166

The face of the new progressive RandySF Jun 2016 #76

''Politics'' being how the wars just keep going and going, no matter who we elect. Octafish Jun 2016 #196

4 days MFM008 Jun 2016 #77

When will the wars end? Octafish Jun 2016 #99

Why would you try to minimize this hate crime... SidDithers Jun 2016 #80

Pointing out the hypocrisy of warmongers doesn't minimize anyone's death. Octafish Jun 2016 #85

This is another level of nastiness. joshcryer Jun 2016 #82

Why so hostile? Octafish Jun 2016 #95

A mass killing of gay people... joshcryer Jun 2016 #98

This thread? nt justiceischeap Jun 2016 #90

''What is absurd and monstrous about war... Octafish Jun 2016 #174

Wow. Tone deaf. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #94

Each human life is an irreplaceable treasure. Octafish Jun 2016 #175

Fascinating how a political primary changes people. gordianot Jun 2016 #104

The Unspeakable Octafish Jun 2016 #106

War is mass murder, I've taken a verbal beating for saying that here over the years. Rex Jun 2016 #108

''The world geography textbook that I teach out of... Octafish Jun 2016 #189

It was so sad, they already had the war down on paper for the new textbooks so we Rex Jun 2016 #208

Now I Understand jamese777 Jun 2016 #107

Nice wide brush. I don't claim to speak for anyone else. Octafish Jun 2016 #123

K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Jun 2016 #109

Some posters sound just like Barbara Bush. Octafish Jun 2016 #216

Oh my Tweety just had a thrill go up his leg! n/t doc03 Jun 2016 #111

Nothing personal... It's just business... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #112

Sorry I don't like this OP Armstead Jun 2016 #117

I don't either, but it's the business plan for our future. Octafish Jun 2016 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author sister_rosa_refried Jun 2016 #121

Great OP! Was thinking of this today: amborin Jun 2016 #125

DURec....for keeping it real. bvar22 Jun 2016 #127

War pigs think Jun 2016 #128

That same crowd partied during Dien Bien Phu. Octafish Jun 2016 #194

"War is the worst thing in the world, it kills MILLIONS of innocent people." cpwm17 Jun 2016 #133

How DARE you!!! I had friends wounded last night, and friends who lost loved ones ashtonelijah Jun 2016 #137

Please accept my sympathies. Octafish Jun 2016 #139

Bullshit. zappaman Jun 2016 #142

I wrote about my friend's brother on DU. Octafish Jun 2016 #143

K&R - Thank you Octafish CrawlingChaos Jun 2016 #138

SHAME ON YOU--YOU USE THIS HORRIBLE EVENT TO DISS THE PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC riversedge Jun 2016 #145

Shame is on me? Octafish Jun 2016 #165

You could not even wait a day or two. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #146

No. Every day more and more innocent people die from war. Octafish Jun 2016 #155

Outstanding post Octafish! 2banon Jun 2016 #153

*sob* yes, yes, yes. Nt riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #158

K&R! Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #161

K&R... disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #162

K&R Spot On! B Calm Jun 2016 #163

This is a great post!!! Nt Logical Jun 2016 #164

You suck for the timing of this post jcgoldie Jun 2016 #197

Embarrassing is seeing the wars go on, no matter who is President. Octafish Jun 2016 #204

three more days until addition by subtraction occurs geek tragedy Jun 2016 #198

Two things: One, there's never a good time to bring up the unspeakable. Octafish Jun 2016 #205

K&R#105 + bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #199

Your posts. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #200

Why do you find war and mass murder funny, CorkySt.Clair? Octafish Jun 2016 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #207

This is wildly misleading anigbrowl Jun 2016 #201

It must be a family thing, laughing at others' deaths. Octafish Jun 2016 #210

Beside the point anigbrowl Jun 2016 #223

Not as wildly misleading as your post defending Bush, a warmonger like his father and grandfather. Octafish Jun 2016 #225

Now you're just lying. anigbrowl Jun 2016 #226

Who's lying, anigbrowl? You wrote Bush really meant something other than making money off war... Octafish Jun 2016 #227

Shouldn't the goal be to do everything we can to defeat Trump? lapucelle Jun 2016 #203

That is one goal, certainly. I'd also like to defeat Republicanism. Octafish Jun 2016 #211

War is evil no matter who is doing the waging of it. arikara Jun 2016 #222

K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #213

Prepare for what's ahead. Octafish Jul 2016 #228

All Wars are for profit. Whimsey Jun 2016 #220

Are you under the impression that Sanders is a pacifist who will pull back all US troops? brooklynite Jun 2016 #221

I'm under the impression that he won't create new wars John Poet Jun 2016 #224