2016 Postmortem

ThinkCritically

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143. Give me a break...

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:00 PM

Jun 2016

the same people who were voting for Bernie Sanders were signing petitions to get Elizabeth Warren to run. We would have given her just as many votes as Bernie Sanders got. But she decided she would get more accomplished in congress and didn't run. I agree that we shouldn't bash her for endorsing Hillary after she got to 2026. That is typically the first milestone to become the nominee, usually the point when other candidates drop out. No one should give anybody a hard time for choosing to support the party to make sure Donald Trump doesn't get elected. However, If Elizabeth Warren wants to save any credibility after endorsing the exact type of candidate she has railed against throughout her time in congress, she needs to make it clear that she is only endorsing Hillary to make sure Trump isn't elected and that she will be pushing for Bernies platform.

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Sen. Warren Exposing Liberal Sexism [View all] CrowCityDem Jun 2016 OP

Does make you wonder doesn't it? leftofcool Jun 2016 #1

I don't wonder anymore. Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #90

Merkely endorsed Bernie....Elizabeth Warren never did. That is the difference. Not sexism. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #2

You're wrong. Merkely abandoned Sanders, which should be worse, but Warren gets slammed. Sexism. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #3

Please. Warren could have helped Bernie in many ways. Warren is a national figure. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #10

A woman staying neutral is worse than a man abandoning Sanders. How does that make sense? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #12

That's what I thought, too. athena Jun 2016 #14

When it counted, Merkely was on board.Warren would have counted throughout the entire primary season virtualobserver Jun 2016 #15

'When it counted', Warren did what Bernie said all the SDs should have done. Do you now hate Bernie? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #18

What I expected from Warren was for her to put her money where her mouth was. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #21

You dislike her because of your own projections, not anything she actually said. Nice. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #25

Warren said "the game is rigged"....she did not support Bernie, who wanted to change that. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #29

You imply staying neutral is as bad as endorsing the 'wrong' candidate. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #31

....Far worse if she had endorsed Hillary during the primaries... So No, I do not imply that virtualobserver Jun 2016 #32

How do you get mad at someone for NOT taking side, other than assuming it was owed to you? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #36

She owes me nothing.....I just thought that she wanted to end the "rigged" system. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #37

Making an endorsement would have been taking part in the 'rigged' system. She let the voters decide. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #38

Warren knows what Clinton is standing on, she know Clinton is not all Sanders and supporters seabeyond Jun 2016 #46

What she believes is that Trump is far worse virtualobserver Jun 2016 #52

Warren has ALWAYS been supportive of Clinton and has only once challenged seabeyond Jun 2016 #57

no. Hillary embraces what Warren refers to as legalized bribery. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #66

See, Warner knows better. Hence being smart, like you all like her for. And moral. Knowing seabeyond Jun 2016 #67

Senator Elizabeth Warren liberal from boston Jun 2016 #114

She also applauded Clinton more than once. seabeyond Jun 2016 #115

Maybe she didn't rate Bernie RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #101

that could be virtualobserver Jun 2016 #103

"A woman staying neutral is worse than a man abandoning Sanders." workinclasszero Jun 2016 #92

You should remove those quotation marks. Marr Jun 2016 #135

She was never under any obligation to help Bernie. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #119

It has nothing to do with obligation virtualobserver Jun 2016 #121

Maybe GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #123

oh come on Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #7

Nonsense, for most of us, Elizabeth Warren was our first choice for President. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #11

It's easy to support a woman in the hypothetical. athena Jun 2016 #13

Not hypothetical. Progressives were begging Warren to run. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #17

You mean "Bernie supporters", who are now saying they don't want her as VP. athena Jun 2016 #19

They don't want her as VP because it would be meaningless. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #23

Not many Bernie supporters believed that. Turin_C3PO Jun 2016 #24

yes, until she was actually running Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #78

Interesting point! KNR Lucinda Jun 2016 #4

DWS, Clinton, PP Richardson, now Warren. When it was repeatedly said that if Warren seabeyond Jun 2016 #5

You're right. The whole "we're not sexist and would happily vote for Warren" argument athena Jun 2016 #16

Do you like Sarah Palin and Carly Fiorina? Think they should be president? Armstead Jun 2016 #28

What I do know, is I have had to stand with both women, and other RW women, with misogyny seabeyond Jun 2016 #30

What if someone says "Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful." Armstead Jun 2016 #33

"Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful." seabeyond Jun 2016 #39

Criticizing Warren for so exuberantly aligning with Clinton....... Armstead Jun 2016 #43

Thank you for the lecture on sexism and what you allow is, and is not sexism. seabeyond Jun 2016 #44

What-the-hell-ever Armstead Jun 2016 #62

So? I am not in existence to make those people feel good and that should have no baring on sexism seabeyond Jun 2016 #64

So right and wrong don't matter, it's all about your feels. JTFrog Jun 2016 #65

Right. JTFrog Jun 2016 #45

Right....It's all about sex. Always. Armstead Jun 2016 #59

Sexism exists. JTFrog Jun 2016 #61

Oh really? Gee I never noticed that. Armstead Jun 2016 #68

Those poor folks walking on eggshells all the time. JTFrog Jun 2016 #69

It;'s not about those poor folks...It's about whether you.... Armstead Jun 2016 #71

"You simply make your case irrelevant by ringing false alarms." JTFrog Jun 2016 #89

A discussion of an issue requires actual give and take Armstead Jun 2016 #93

Honest give and take? Like you doubling down about Clinton knowing her place was in the senate... bettyellen Jun 2016 #120

I stand by that Armstead Jun 2016 #122

No one bought it. And you've posted a load of sexist twaddle since, claiming it was okay because you bettyellen Jun 2016 #124

You make a really good point! mcar Jun 2016 #97

I used to like Palin before she got so bitter and angry Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #86

I agree. She was especially lovable when she referred to Obama "hanging out with terrorists" Armstead Jun 2016 #87

So what was the hate spewed choie Jun 2016 #49

People do not care one way or another about Sanders just as he does not put a lot of time and effort seabeyond Jun 2016 #51

It's as valid as the claim that Bernie supporters choie Jun 2016 #55

No it is not. I explained why. seabeyond Jun 2016 #58

What the hell. 'just as he does not put a lot of time and effort into his religion' JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #83

Saying Sanders is a "bad" Jew? Really? Give it a rest. I can't even think in those terms. seabeyond Jun 2016 #98

Given your post it is evident you do. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #99

No. Something you made up for argument sake. Damn aren't you tired of having to make shit up seabeyond Jun 2016 #100

Not win an argument, call out antisemitism when I see it. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #102

Some of it was. One vocal 840high Jun 2016 #128

Really? Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #6

Sounds like a Trumpster to me. GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #9

That's a bad comment but it undermines the OP's claim Armstead Jun 2016 #27

Why? spooky3 Jun 2016 #96

Eh? Did you read what Hillary Clinton supporters said about Nina Turner Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #8

Find one Hillary supporter who posted vile shit on her Facebook page? leftofcool Jun 2016 #116

I did. 840high Jun 2016 #129

Those darn progressives! HassleCat Jun 2016 #20

No freeper ever hated liberals more than our Sensible Pragmatic Centrists™ QC Jun 2016 #42

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"I oppose President Clinton's agreement with the GOP to raise the SS retirement age." Armstead Jun 2016 #26

Liberals really are the shit. Octafish Jun 2016 #34

What ugly strain of thought? All I've seen is some mild criticism. Geesh. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #35

it's more like the reaction of jilted lovers, it's pathetic no matter how one views it nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #40

Merkely is an obscure senator, Warren is a media darling. tritsofme Jun 2016 #41

This has nothing to do with SEXISM and everything to do with WALL STREET jillan Jun 2016 #47

Merkely just endorsed the 'Wall Steet candidate'. Where the hate for him? Why only the woman? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54

Because Merkley did not base his entire career ranting against Wall Street. There are clips jillan Jun 2016 #63

Flipping against Bernie isn't as bad as being neutral. That's logical. Lol. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #70

Because he actually put himself on the line and endorsed Bernie Armstead Jun 2016 #74

So it is about Bernie feeling entitled to her support. That's the only way it makes sense. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #77

You are claiming it is sexism. Armstead Jun 2016 #79

Demanding her fealty isn't. But only attacking her, not others in the same position, sure is. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #80

I just explained the difference Armstead Jun 2016 #82

It's illogical to say abandoning avowed support of Bernis isn't as bad as not supporting anyone. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #88

You're getting off your own topic Armstead Jun 2016 #94

You're a sexist if you oppose Wall Street's corruption and excessive political influence Armstead Jun 2016 #72

yep +10 840high Jun 2016 #130

Hillary won Mass. BS supporters stated that SDs should vote with the will of the people. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #48

The problem is hypocrisy.. choie Jun 2016 #53

Sen. Warren chose not to support your candidate. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead Jun 2016 #75

She's going about it in a different way choie Jun 2016 #106

Wrong. Clinton is not and has never been what you and Sanders create her to be as Warren recognizes seabeyond Jun 2016 #107

You're wrong. choie Jun 2016 #108

While Sanders is good at accusing, he comes up with nothing. Warren of integrity, and in the system, seabeyond Jun 2016 #111

Then guess what? choie Jun 2016 #112

Opinions differ. seabeyond Jun 2016 #113

Yea and Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and others will keep you believing it. leftofcool Jun 2016 #118

It's stupid to attack Warren, but Merkely isn't as well known as her yurbud Jun 2016 #50

Boxer, Louis, The Latino woman in Nevada, Dws, Warren, PP Richardson, LBGT com, women that spoke out seabeyond Jun 2016 #56

Bullshit choie Jun 2016 #109

Yea, I saw those vile Bernie supporter posts on John Lewis page. leftofcool Jun 2016 #117

Exactly loyalsister Jun 2016 #91

The "New DU:" LWolf Jun 2016 #73

No liberals are too concervative, or too liberal or both...all that matters is Armstead Jun 2016 #76

That's truth. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #84

Who is this Rorschach guy, and why did he paint so many pictures of sexism against Hillary? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #81

Rorschach was a sexist.....or something I guess Armstead Jun 2016 #85

I don't think it is sexism... tom-servo Jun 2016 #95

I never knew who Merkeley was, had no particular hopes re- his endorsement. snot Jun 2016 #104

The attacks are sexist. The people I'm not judging. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #105

Uh huh. choie Jun 2016 #110

Thank you for posting. More light needs to shine on this. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #125

Bunk swhisper1 Jun 2016 #126

Where's the "sexism" part? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #127

It's outlined in the first post. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #131

So, where's the "sexism" part? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #132

The sexism is... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #133

Where's the sexism? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #134

But where are the myriad attacks on Merkely? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #137

Do you really think that the Sanders supporters here are "attacking" her because she's a woman? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #138

Not consciously, no. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #139

I think it's because she has become an icon of progressivism. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #140

Exactly!! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #145

Do you have any idea how much these kneejerk, baseless cries of sexism are going to hurt Hillary's Marr Jun 2016 #136

Spot on! B Calm Jun 2016 #141

+1 Jon Ace Jun 2016 #144

The sexism has been evident all the primary season long, and I hate it, but I hate spelling errors CBHagman Jun 2016 #142

Give me a break... ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #143

A FB feed can be used to prove anything one wants about humanity. Orsino Jun 2016 #146

Kick CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #147