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2016 Postmortem

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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:56 AM Jun 2016

Die-hard Bernie-ites are demonstrating how out of touch they are with true progressivism. [View all]

It is great that Bernie's campaign did much better than expected, but in the end he got millions fewer votes and hundreds fewer pledged delegates. The "revolution" did not bring him a primary victory. That is the absolute reality, and as hard as it is, that is politics. Someone wins, and someone loses.

Now some die-hard Bernie supporters, no doubt a small minority, are having a very hard time dealing with reality and letting go. Sour grapes abound. The anti-Hillary attacks continue, even to the point of comparing Hillary to the mega-nut who is Trump. They are claiming a monopoly on the mantle of progressivism with an extremist, purist notion of progressivism and a standard that not even Bernie himself could pass. This has become a kind of progressive elitism, where these die-hards are accusing Hillary supporters of "not understanding the working class." How ridiculous. As if the many millions of Hillary's supporters are all a bunch of Wall Street millionaires living high off the hog. SHAME on that vile talk!

Progressive means actual PROGRESS. Hillary and her supporters generally agree with Bernie's goals, but her PROGRESSIVE plans are more grounded in DOABILITY. For example, free tuition sounds great, but for anyone, including rich kids? And how would you actually pay for that? How will you get that through Congress? And Bernie wants states to pick up a third of the cost. How many red states with red governors and legislatures will do that? Hm? Tell me how FAILING to get this and so many others things done is "progressive"? And with all respect, how much, after all his years in Congress, has Bernie actually ACCOMPLISHED? He has some accomplishments, but not too many.

The actual "revolution" remains to be seen. MANY of the "revolutionites" apparently went to the big fun rallies but didn't actually turn out to vote. Gee, perhaps that's the first step. Next, a REAL political movement is MANY YEARS LONG and will require tremendous and sustained dedication, energy, funding, and so many activities such as establishing a real alternative media, consolidation in common cause of progressive organizations across the nation, recruiting and helping candidates at all levels for all offices everywhere, dramatically increasing turnout in ALL election cycles, and much more. Will this actually happen? Will all those folks from the Bernie rallies show they are ready for a REAL movement like this that will actually have a chance to make REAL "progress"? We shall see folks. We shall see.

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Hillary supporters are the working class bravenak Jun 2016 #1
Hillary supporters live in REALITY, a notion far removed from some of the "revolutionaries." RBInMaine Jun 2016 #3
So true bravenak Jun 2016 #34
So true! Noably, ONLY 15% TOTAL Dems told Bloomberg Hortensis Jun 2016 #6
Most of those that hated her always hated her bravenak Jun 2016 #35
Yes, and it's really about them, not her. Hortensis Jun 2016 #36
People need a villain bravenak Jun 2016 #40
Want. They need not to indulge Hortensis Jun 2016 #41
The worst one will get very quiet for a long time bravenak Jun 2016 #42
Some are just cynically malicious. Hortensis Jun 2016 #43
Oops. I do believe we just saw a classic example of a Freudian slip Android3.14 Jun 2016 #8
"They" rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #12
Yes, her supporters do live in a bubble. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #17
You have a much kinder assessment of Bernie & his fans than I do. baldguy Jun 2016 #2
... hobbit709 Jun 2016 #4
Sen. Sanders has good positions on some issues but "Bernie" the candidate was a strange brew. ucrdem Jun 2016 #5
Closing another factory here in Indiana. seabeckind Jun 2016 #7
That's ''Progress.'' Octafish Jun 2016 #13
Here is a question ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #18
Much of the factory closings seabeckind Jun 2016 #26
RBInMaine, can you please... joshcryer Jun 2016 #9
Yeah, this shit is getting really smelly. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #10
wow, really? Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #11
What he said. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #27
Sanders was never a threat and so had a free ride with no attacks Gothmog Jun 2016 #14
Exactly!! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #44
+1, I don't see how Sanders is progressing anything practical and not admitting Clinton won is bad uponit7771 Jun 2016 #15
You DINOS say the strangest things Doctor_J Jun 2016 #16
I am a "Democrat in Name Only"? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #19
Haven't you heard GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #32
More of this devisive bullshit. blackspade Jun 2016 #20
Some people actually ENJOY being preached to every Sunday. randome Jun 2016 #21
Brockettes tap tap tap tapping the script away MaeScott Jun 2016 #22
What kind of "progress" will Hillary make with... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #23
a lot of stuff was never "doable" DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #29
Why so bitter? GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #24
2. (of a group, person, or idea) favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas. krawhitham Jun 2016 #25
Oh, god in heaven, not another one !!! pangaia Jun 2016 #28
Another goddamned "supporters" thread. nt VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #30
Why do you post the very same things over and over and over QC Jun 2016 #31
... MattSh Jun 2016 #33
Is this a progressive / liberal stance HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #37
Some of us might take incrementalism, if it was in the right direction, and by the way, it doesn't JCanete Jun 2016 #38
The denial that you are a moderate republican coyote Jun 2016 #39
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