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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The TPP - question - how will this benefit the average American? [View all]pokerfan
(27,677 posts)31. Is the Trans-Pacific Partnership Unconstitutional?
From The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/tpp-isds-constitution/396389/
Under the TPP, the arbitrators will act like judges, deciding legal questions just as federal judges decide constitutional claims. However, unlike judges appointed under Article III of the Constitution, TPP arbitrators are not appointed by the president or confirmed by the Senate, nor do they have the independence that comes from life tenure. And that presents a significant constitutional issue: Can the president and Congress, consistent with Article III, assign to three private arbitrators the judicial function of deciding the merits of a TPP investor challenge?
The Supreme Court has not ruled on this precise question. But the collective reasoning in four of its recent rulings bearing on the issue leans heavily toward a finding of unconstitutionality. The Court has placed significant limits on the ability of Congress to assign the power to decide cases traditionally handled by the courts to people other than Article III judges, even when the judicial substitutes are full-time federal officials, such as bankruptcy judges or the heads of federal agencies. Moreover, in each case in which the Court approved of a dispute being taken away from federal judges, there was judicial review at the end of the process, which is not the case with TPP. Moreover, although the Justice Department issued a lengthy opinion in 1995 on when arbitration can be used to replace court adjudication, it did not then, and has not since then, defended the constitutionality of arbitration provisions like those in the proposed TPP.
As it presses for the passage of TPP, the administration needs to explain how the Constitution allows the United States to agree to submit the validity of its federal, state, and local laws to three private arbitrators, with no possibility of review by any U.S. court. Otherwise, it risks securing a trade agreement that wont survive judicial scrutiny, or, even worse, which will undermine the structural protections that an independent federal judiciary was created to ensure.
The Supreme Court has not ruled on this precise question. But the collective reasoning in four of its recent rulings bearing on the issue leans heavily toward a finding of unconstitutionality. The Court has placed significant limits on the ability of Congress to assign the power to decide cases traditionally handled by the courts to people other than Article III judges, even when the judicial substitutes are full-time federal officials, such as bankruptcy judges or the heads of federal agencies. Moreover, in each case in which the Court approved of a dispute being taken away from federal judges, there was judicial review at the end of the process, which is not the case with TPP. Moreover, although the Justice Department issued a lengthy opinion in 1995 on when arbitration can be used to replace court adjudication, it did not then, and has not since then, defended the constitutionality of arbitration provisions like those in the proposed TPP.
As it presses for the passage of TPP, the administration needs to explain how the Constitution allows the United States to agree to submit the validity of its federal, state, and local laws to three private arbitrators, with no possibility of review by any U.S. court. Otherwise, it risks securing a trade agreement that wont survive judicial scrutiny, or, even worse, which will undermine the structural protections that an independent federal judiciary was created to ensure.
I know, I know. Remain calm, all is well...

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So rather rather fight the last battle, how about American workers fighting to support ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2016
#8
No, I consider the "Average American" to be like the average person everywhere, on any issue ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2016
#13
Yup. The only thing I'd add is that pro-TPP people will insist that everything good
DanTex
Jun 2016
#16
As with all these trade agreements it will help some people and harm others.
bklyncowgirl
Jun 2016
#15
I think it will help us solidify relationships with other countries, help many of those countries
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#6
I know. There were several posts yesterday about "secret document, negotiated by corporations". eom
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#12
It doesn't matter if it benefits us, we have to trade with 95% of the population
CK_John
Jun 2016
#14
The same Boeing that is going to build a plant in China to cost us more jobs.
floriduck
Jun 2016
#27
Reverse that question. Why would Boeing open a plant in China and use American labor?
floriduck
Jun 2016
#29
We'll agree to disagree. I'm not blaming Democrats. I'm blaming globalization.
floriduck
Jun 2016
#35
I bet they benefitted due to jobs in the USA, not overseas.Let's just disagree and leave it at that.
floriduck
Jun 2016
#38
It is by definition, these "deals" should be subject to the treaty clause.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#44
could you explain to me how a trade deal nullifies the constitution?
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2016
#30
I suggest that folks view and listen to the President in his presser in Canada today. Learn.
Jitter65
Jun 2016
#47
You see less "Made in China" and more Made in ... "Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan," etc.
joshcryer
Jun 2016
#49
I won't speak to the efficacy or lack of efficacy of any trade agreement...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#53