Charisma is a subjective thing, To you, media she is not, To her voters (Reply #69)

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Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:11 PM

69. Charisma is a subjective thing, To you, media she is not, To her voters

at least the ones who really know her, she is. Bill Clinton talked about the 1%ers in his '92 campaign. They both talked about the need for the younger generation to do better than their parents for decades. And DID STUFF to make it so. I did personally experience Peace and Prosperity - not just a slogan. The world did exist before Bernie, and will continue to do so after him. Many of the Clinton voters in NYC were in Zuccotti Park (I do personally know quite a few). Now we took it to a higher level. The ones who are still trying to sleep there are the ones who never voted. Pretty much a metaphor for the primaries.

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111 replies	Author	Time	Post
Why Sanders lost, and why I think it matters. [View all]	redgreenandblue	Jul 2016	OP
And that economic discomfort will continue	demwing	Jul 2016	#1
Your comparisons for Sanders are very confusing.	tonyt53	Jul 2016	#3
more people liked her message	SoLeftIAmRight	Jul 2016	#26
The majority vote in state after state is a fact.	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#33
Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now	SoLeftIAmRight	Jul 2016	#49
Hillary thoughtfully addresses the problems of climate change	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#55
great	SoLeftIAmRight	Jul 2016	#60
She doesn't, actually.	Scootaloo	Jul 2016	#77
Fracking?	rickford66	Jul 2016	#100
Please don't refight the primary. Bernie isn't the presumptive nominee. nt	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#103
Do you even understand fracking? I make a good living from alternative and renewable fuels	tonyt53	Jul 2016	#104
lol	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#64
I would think that if 16,838,264 voted for Clinton and 13,100,987 voted for Sanders, the premise....	George II	Jul 2016	#70
The only fact you get from that is that Clinton got 3,737,277 more votes	Scootaloo	Jul 2016	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	Jul 2016	#87
.+1	840high	Jul 2016	#47
The narrative is wrong. The word "young" was left out before white male.	tonyt53	Jul 2016	#2
Thanks for saving the rest of us the time in making the same point.	politicaljunkie41910	Jul 2016	#17
This explains what is going on with the "revolution."	BobbyDrake	Jul 2016	#20
Awesomely interesting! Entryism definition	Her Sister	Jul 2016	#42
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That's about how	840high	Jul 2016	#48
You do realize she won delegates based on how people voted right?	mythology	Jul 2016	#92
That's the claim anyway.	timmymoff	Jul 2016	#96
Your assumption that we're not part of the party is vile	Scootaloo	Jul 2016	#79
You just saved me a BUNCH of time with this reply. Thanks	bravenak	Jul 2016	#44
No we can't!! Isn't that inspiring?	eridani	Jul 2016	#74
^^^AMEN to this!^^^	Surya Gayatri	Jul 2016	#95
Hillary won because more Democrats voted for her	still_one	Jul 2016	#102
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LOL!	Politicalboi	Jul 2016	#7
What a shameful piece of text.	SpareribSP	Jul 2016	#11
The Mothers, The Grandmothers	DianaForRussFeingold	Jul 2016	#13
Can you explain how "bro" could possibly be considered racist? Is there some sort of hardship	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#24
To some, it is a pseudo-ghetto title...not quite a pejorative,	libdem4life	Jul 2016	#28
No it's actually referring to generally I whiter generic collegiate dudes.....	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#30
It was a mistake.	DianaForRussFeingold	Jul 2016	#35
"friendly" ?!	DianaForRussFeingold	Jul 2016	#29
Yeah dudes and bros have generally positive connotations.....the only negative would	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#31
I Miss-typed	DianaForRussFeingold	Jul 2016	#37
Well people use dude and bro for both sexes- it's just like "pal" but sort of young maybe post	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#38
Well, that's not how the term "berniebro" has been used. Ever.	Scootaloo	Jul 2016	#81
It's not that a singular bro is a bad thing - it's the swarm of bros we all saw on Reddit and even	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#93
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It doesn't matter. No matter how polls hyped Hillary from the get-go, people need to be more	BlueCaliDem	Jul 2016	#5
The only group that went for Bernie was the one he pandered to.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#6
Those are policies he has fought for his entire political career.	bvar22	Jul 2016	#12
Where are the bills he introduced in Congress for free health care and free tuition the	politicaljunkie41910	Jul 2016	#19
This message was self-deleted by its author	DianaForRussFeingold	Jul 2016	#15
Bingo	Justice	Jul 2016	#21
+1, they didn't put much resources in the southern states	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#32
And that gorup is our future	eridani	Jul 2016	#75
Question...	Scootaloo	Jul 2016	#82
For example:	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#90
That he was inexperienced and basically unknowledge about social	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#98
There are a number of very good reasons why Sanders didnot win the vote of key groups	Gothmog	Jul 2016	#8
I would go so far as to guess that the Clinton campaign's vetting of Sanders as an opponent is why	BobbyDrake	Jul 2016	#22
I agree with everything you said about President Obama, and would just add the following:	politicaljunkie41910	Jul 2016	#23
+1	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#34
Most voted for Hillary because she is the most qualified, has the most experience	upaloopa	Jul 2016	#9
The "sore winner" phenomenon, as you call it, is about one thing and one thing only.	DanTex	Jul 2016	#10
Your third paragraph is exactly right	realmirage	Jul 2016	#41
Hillary won because she is the better candidate.	JaneyVee	Jul 2016	#14
.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#16
^^This^^	Loki	Jul 2016	#68
Bernie Sanders lost because of his mistaken belief	KMOD	Jul 2016	#18
nope	SoLeftIAmRight	Jul 2016	#27
+1, angry is easy answers are hard and being sideways at one of the most popular dem presidents...	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#36
Bingo!	bravenak	Jul 2016	#45
He had no relationships with the demographics he needed to win.	Starry Messenger	Jul 2016	#25
And Bernie's numbers were rising and stopped when he began attacking Hillary	CreekDog	Jul 2016	#108
Don't forget that Hillary has been under almost constant attack since the 1990's.	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#39
Describing Hillary merely as the "default candidate" is highly offensive	realmirage	Jul 2016	#40
+10000000000	Haveadream	Jul 2016	#50
THANK YOU!!!!!	robbedvoter	Jul 2016	#54
K&R! Great Response! n/t	DemonGoddess	Jul 2016	#65
Totally agree. nt	eastwestdem	Jul 2016	#43
I think it's disingenuous of us to be dismissive of the discontent.	randome	Jul 2016	#51
OWS wanted to recruit Warren. Sanders was Plan B	robbedvoter	Jul 2016	#53
If the disconnect grows more strongly down the road, I think both 'sides' will be to blame.	randome	Jul 2016	#57
Charisma is a subjective thing, To you, media she is not, To her voters	robbedvoter	Jul 2016	#69
Money quote.	forjusticethunders	Jul 2016	#72
It didn't help that most of you laughed when we got our asses beat	Scootaloo	Jul 2016	#83
No one laughed at you and no one is laughing at you now.	randome	Jul 2016	#84
Ah yes, I'm lying about my experiences	Scootaloo	Jul 2016	#85
No one ever said you were lying, either.	randome	Jul 2016	#86
So, the majority D voters are numbskulls who voted for generic candidate	robbedvoter	Jul 2016	#52
I'm sure the women of Iraq and Libya are endlessly thrilled n/t	eridani	Jul 2016	#76
The things...	Mike Nelson	Jul 2016	#56
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Well, sure a virgo would say that. We libras, on the other hand, know better.	randome	Jul 2016	#59
LOL. yeah. that was it.	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#63
.	RandySF	Jul 2016	#61
Change is scary	TexasBushwhacker	Jul 2016	#62
Nope	DemonGoddess	Jul 2016	#67
Nope. We actually like and respect her.	grossproffit	Jul 2016	#71
So many posters here who voted for Sanders think that Hillary won because of something wrong with us	CreekDog	Jul 2016	#109
If that's what you need to tell yourself	MaggieD	Jul 2016	#66
Perhaps you should think about how easily you dismiss the votes of	BainsBane	Jul 2016	#73
I guess even democracy has to be Bernsplained to us.	RandySF	Jul 2016	#80
Sanders lost because of the African-American vote	oberliner	Jul 2016	#88
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That's true	oberliner	Jul 2016	#105
How'd that argument work out?	BainsBane	Jul 2016	#110
If the GOP becomes the party of economic populism	TheFarseer	Jul 2016	#89
I disagree	ismnotwasm	Jul 2016	#91
Ugh. A long, long post that simply regurgitates what BS supporters have said or implied all along:	Squinch	Jul 2016	#94
Agreed	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#97
perfectly said,	G_j	Jul 2016	#99
why are you relitigating the primary?	comradebillyboy	Jul 2016	#106
Arguments such as this ignore several things	Buzz cook	Jul 2016	#107

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