Is there some veiled threat in bringing up this story? (Reply #88)

In the discussion thread: In 1980, did Ted Kennedy endorse Jimmy Carter? [View all]

Response to Eric J in MN (Original post)

Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:07 AM

88. Is there some veiled threat in bringing up this story?

Because, nobody looking good in it. But I guess you guys are past the need to look good.
Anyway, I bookmarked and my thanks to the many great contributors - a great history lesson for me. Comparing times, this reinforces to me the feeling that the D party was never more united, in better shape as this election year. The way the entryism attempt was repelled solidified this for me. UK Labour missed the diversity of our D party, that's why it was hollowed out/betrayed by Corbyn with disastrous results for the country.
hew concept for me too - so here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism

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113 replies	Author	Time	Post
In 1980, did Ted Kennedy endorse Jimmy Carter? [View all]	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	OP
He "snubbed" him. Not his finest hour. Ted Kennedy was an utter mess during that timeframe.	MADem	Jul 2016	#1
It's always strange that I never see such criticism directed against Bobby Kennedy's run in '68. N/T	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#9
His assassination might have something to do with that ,and	sufrommich	Jul 2016	#14
Probably true; people's opinions on primary challenges are more influenced by the events surrounding	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#18
Bobby Kennedy wasn't really primarying an incumbent.	SheilaT	Jul 2016	#27
That makes no sense, though--what incumbent was running in 1968?	MADem	Jul 2016	#43
LBJ Did NOT drop out until two weeks after RFK entered the race.	John Poet	Jul 2016	#45
See post 52. LBJ's staff knew in Dec 1967 that he'd had enough--RFK didn't announce until Mar 68.	MADem	Jul 2016	#53
LBJ dropped out after RFK entered, and it was considered a surprise. One of the reasons why LBJ	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#50
LBJ had terrible heart disease. That may have been the icing on the cake, but he had	MADem	Jul 2016	#52
Do you have any evidence that RFK knew LBJ was going out? I've never seen anyone claim that, and it	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#54
DC is a small town and people have always talked. It wouldn't have mattered anyway. RFK	MADem	Jul 2016	#58
Your only evidence is "DC is a small town"? Even LBJ's chief of staff didn't know	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#60
We can go round in circles all day, but he did not have the MATH	MADem	Jul 2016	#65
It's not circles; the facts are that RFK was running against an incumbent when he entered the race	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#66
He was running against an incumbent who was on his way out the door.	MADem	Jul 2016	#70
Even Johnson's chief of staff didn't know if Johnson was going to leave the race, and that was 2	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#73
My point, again, is that people TALK. His COS and everyone else in the room, perhaps "The Butler,"	MADem	Jul 2016	#75
Again, do you have any evidence of this? The people closest to him didn't know one way or another,	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#80
My "evidence" is my understanding of how things work in that town. I realize you want a	MADem	Jul 2016	#86
Do you know of any historian or person connected to either man that thought RFK knew?	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#89
More than one thing can be true--he certainly was "opposed" to LBJ (despised him, in fact) and	MADem	Jul 2016	#91
Again, both LBJ and RFK seemed to view RFK's entry as being against LBJ	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#95
Well, this is a very interesting conversation,	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#107
RFK had to first best McCarthy, and he was whipping him but good, especially	MADem	Jul 2016	#113
McCarthy's strong showing in New Hampshire had something to do with his dropping out nt	dflprincess	Jul 2016	#78
Eugene McCarthy was already in the race when RFK entered it	dflprincess	Jul 2016	#77
True, but I'm not sure what you're point is. It's OK to primary an incumbent if someone is already	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#81
Actually I think it's okay for anyone to challenge an incumbent	dflprincess	Jul 2016	#83
Oh, I meant contemporary criticism from the "it's terrible to run against a sitting president"-crowd	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#84
Sorry, misunderstood your comment.	dflprincess	Jul 2016	#109
Brings back memories	Frances	Jul 2016	#101
Bobby was not running against a sitting party President. apples vs oranges nt	TeamPooka	Jul 2016	#105
The situation had nothing in common with 1980.	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#110
Well...	Drunken Irishman	Jul 2016	#112
Where has it EVER been documented that Ted Kennedy EVER used cocaine?	John Poet	Jul 2016	#46
One of his former aides wrote an entire book about it. The book took a small truth, that TK used	MADem	Jul 2016	#57
I think it is odd that he ran when he had such tremendous baggage	loyalsister	Jul 2016	#61
That is what can happen to people with addiction issues, some times.	MADem	Jul 2016	#63
Sure	loyalsister	Jul 2016	#64
Edwards, from what I understand, has gone back into private law practice with his daughter.	MADem	Jul 2016	#72
I find it interesting	lancer78	Jul 2016	#87
Politics is a curious business--and everything old is new again, I guess.... nt	MADem	Jul 2016	#93
I've been listening the audio version of Jimmy Carter's autobiography "A Full Life,"	Rhiannon12866	Jul 2016	#2
How did 1980 turn out?	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#3
Results had nothing to do with Kennedy's challenge.	JackRiddler	Jul 2016	#69
1980 was the beginning of a disaster were still paying for	MFM008	Jul 2016	#4
Ding, ding, ding! Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.	BobbyDrake	Jul 2016	#55
yup, 3rd worst president ever. 1st was Hoover, 2nd was Bush Jr. - all Republicans	TeamPooka	Jul 2016	#106
kennedy's action in 1980 to me, forever tarnished the kennedy name. I never gave	beachbum bob	Jul 2016	#5
Agreed, I always thought Teddy was completely	comradebillyboy	Jul 2016	#97
It wouldn't have made a difference.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2016	#6
I agree	Va Lefty	Jul 2016	#7
Kennedy was pushed awful hard by a large number of Democratic officeholders	John Poet	Jul 2016	#49
Jimmy Carter's complete inability to compromise his principles	Lyric	Jul 2016	#8
My side	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2016	#13
This is a very fair point you are making--it is sometimes a difficult one to make, because	MADem	Jul 2016	#74
Carter was most likely the wrong president at the wrong time,however	sufrommich	Jul 2016	#11
It was...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2016	#15
But Carter didn't betray Democratic principles.	sufrommich	Jul 2016	#17
And those dreadful interest rates predated Carter by a good deal.	MADem	Jul 2016	#51
I had a friend who worked on George Pataki's staff...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2016	#56
There was also the USSR invasion of	BlueMTexpat	Jul 2016	#59
1. Sanders is no Ted Kennedy. 2. How did that all work out?	EffieBlack	Jul 2016	#10
Primarying Carter was a huge mistake.	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#12
While it certainly didn't help, and was disgraceful of Kennedy, it was the Iran Hostage	still_one	Jul 2016	#31
I don't disgree, but....	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#38
no question about that, reagan was a disaster for labor and most everything else	still_one	Jul 2016	#40
Kennedy was right.	JackRiddler	Jul 2016	#71
I don't think Kennedy was to blame, necessarily...	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#99
And who won that year?	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#16
Way to NOT make a good argument	MaggieD	Jul 2016	#19
What I'd like to happen	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#20
He lost	MaggieD	Jul 2016	#21
Sanders shouldn't get his entire platform.	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#25
You need to brush up on what a party platform is	MaggieD	Jul 2016	#26
I realize that there are two issues, HRC's campaign platform and the Democratic Party Platform.	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#29
And he shouldn't - he lost	MaggieD	Jul 2016	#33
If HRC doesn't compromise, and Sanders doesn't endorse, and we get President Trump	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#35
Most Sanders supporters have already moved on. At this point it	sufrommich	Jul 2016	#36
WRONG. Do some more reading outside of DU. unless you call less than half	leeroysphitz	Jul 2016	#41
I would never limit myself to reading only DU for info,that would	sufrommich	Jul 2016	#47
I do and agree with you. Leave	840high	Jul 2016	#82
But why should he? /nt	romana	Jul 2016	#37
The platform	romana	Jul 2016	#30
I was unclear. I was referring to HRC's public position with regard to tuition	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#32
Cinton voters were SPECIFICALLY voting AGAINST Sanders policy and platform proposals.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#22
I agree that if Sanders doesn't endorse, fine for HRC to not schedule a Sanders convention speech NT	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#23
^^^This!!!	DemonGoddess	Jul 2016	#24
+1	tallahasseedem	Jul 2016	#28
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	Jul 2016	#34
So we were winning	SheenaR	Jul 2016	#44
Kennedy ran that year because he considered Carter ineffectual and too conservative	andym	Jul 2016	#39
K&R	SheenaR	Jul 2016	#42
You want to use 1980 as an example?...	SidDithers	Jul 2016	#48
Yes, he ultimately did and they even campaigned together.	book_worm	Jul 2016	#62
Where did they campaign together? NT	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#94
Here are some examples:	book_worm	Jul 2016	#108
Thanks. NT	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#111
kennedy was wrong but i also don't tHink Sanders is as influential as kennedy	JI7	Jul 2016	#67
Remember this????	hollowdweller	Jul 2016	#68
I worked on the Kennedy campaign and that go a a paid job on the Carter campaign	Onlooker	Jul 2016	#76
Those may have been the same two kids I saw tossed out of a rather exclusive private club	MADem	Jul 2016	#79
Senator Kennedy's challenge of President Carter for the nomination...	PJMcK	Jul 2016	#85
Is there some veiled threat in bringing up this story?	robbedvoter	Jul 2016	#88
this hurt america more than can ever be known	SoLeftIAmRight	Jul 2016	#90
For historical interest, here is an article on Kennedy in 1979 pondering entering the race	andym	Jul 2016	#92
In 1980 did Jimmy Carter win the General Election?	George II	Jul 2016	#96
Who cares. It's irrelevant to now.	Lil Missy	Jul 2016	#98
Kennedy primaried a sitting President in his own party.	liberalnarb	Jul 2016	#100
And Reagan won	Frances	Jul 2016	#102
How did that turn out?	Zynx	Jul 2016	#103
My idea involves just one policy clarification.	Eric J in MN	Jul 2016	#104

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