2016 Postmortem

lapucelle

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193. You're equivocating.

Reply to hughee99 (Reply #160)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:40 PM

Jul 2016

An administrative sanction is not a criminal prosecution.

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No indictment, but how do Democrats deal with this: [View all] tk2kewl Jul 2016 OP

Give it up. It's over. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #1

So they ignore it? That's your answer? tk2kewl Jul 2016 #10

FBI's answer: "No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Hortensis Jul 2016 #16

He did say that, you are right. He also said what was posted in the OP tk2kewl Jul 2016 #22

How about instead of concern trolling LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #55

Because this is a political discussion site, not a cheerleading contest? Kentonio Jul 2016 #101

So, no answer LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #122

I'm here to discuss politics and the impact different events have on the future chances of our party Kentonio Jul 2016 #125

The impact is, nothing. metroins Jul 2016 #188

Well, let's hope you're right. Kentonio Jul 2016 #250

People should care pangaia Jul 2016 #277

Maybe they should begin by asking why the director of the FBI feels entitled to publicly scold lapucelle Jul 2016 #68

Exactly! missingthebigdog Jul 2016 #77

No, it was a bizarre presser -- very personal obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #123

Bingo. n/t JTFrog Jul 2016 #126

A-friggin'-men! So spot on! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #132

agreed. nt Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #174

+1,000!!! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #192

He actually didn't say that she did nothing criminal.. peace13 Jul 2016 #258

My recommendation?... Take the blue pill. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #80

So what is your proposal? zenabby Jul 2016 #231

I wonder how well that will play with voters. I'm willing to give it my best effort, silvershadow Jul 2016 #194

If I speed unintentionally, I can still get a citation pangaia Jul 2016 #276

"She has long admitted it was an error, though no bad intentions. Now go investigate Colin Powell." RBInMaine Jul 2016 #133

Yes. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #164

Splody head? MFM008 Jul 2016 #2

I am not a Republican and I care about the judgement and honesty of all candidates tk2kewl Jul 2016 #11

A case was just made, again, and Hortensis Jul 2016 #33

You've made your position plain just about every day. So has Hillary. Hekate Jul 2016 #69

You are dissapointed the indictment fairy isn't real and you are concern trolling. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #104

+++1 nolawarlock Jul 2016 #185

You may be surprised but I would guess that most of us look for judgement and honesty SharonClark Jul 2016 #139

It's quite amusing, the Jackass Delusionals and FOX noise crowd today Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #178

I've been enjoying it all day. Nt metroins Jul 2016 #190

Really? bravenak Jul 2016 #3

What is getting sad? tk2kewl Jul 2016 #12

The desperation in people trying to somehow make this BAD for Hillary to be cleared. bravenak Jul 2016 #17

Do you have a comment on Comey's above statement or how democrats ought to address it? tk2kewl Jul 2016 #29

Yes, the best strategy is to say it's over, there's nothing to see. NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #37

I have a reply: IT'S OVER! THE LYING, EVIL Hortensis Jul 2016 #52

THIS! nt Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #182

Comment? Yes. bravenak Jul 2016 #61

How about: thucythucy Jul 2016 #153

You forgot his anti-union and anti-worker actions with his own employees! Her Sister Jul 2016 #208

Yes I did. thucythucy Jul 2016 #269

You left out his Mafia and Cohen ties. WhiteTara Jul 2016 #240

The sleeze is endless, isn't it? thucythucy Jul 2016 #270

By developing policies that fit with the demands of the work and technology jberryhill Jul 2016 #4

Only thoughtful answer so far tk2kewl Jul 2016 #18

I like your answer lillypaddle Jul 2016 #49

Why have you been dragging this out all day? brush Jul 2016 #202

WTF? lillypaddle Jul 2016 #241

Are you reposting this? brush Jul 2016 #242

EXACTLY. Use it as a lesson learned and a chance to upgrade everyone's policies. nolabear Jul 2016 #54

A lot of the government systems/policies seem to be 15-20 years behind. It'd be great if we saw some Chathamization Jul 2016 #89

That really is the answer to all of this - spend time/$$ on fixing that, not investigating.... Justice Jul 2016 #98

Yep, as I have been saying from the beginning about stuff like this. stevenleser Jul 2016 #105

And government lag treestar Jul 2016 #124

Were they classified at the time? underpants Jul 2016 #5

Comey said yes. Secret info was shared and compromised. How do democrats address this? tk2kewl Jul 2016 #15

WHat's with this, "you Democrats" malarkey? Are you not a Democrat? DonViejo Jul 2016 #23

Huh tk2kewl Jul 2016 #34

You know what I'm talking about but, because you edited your DonViejo Jul 2016 #50

I edited nothing. tk2kewl Jul 2016 #75

Where does it say info was compromised? NT Adrahil Jul 2016 #65

We don't. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #165

He did not say this Whimsey Jul 2016 #235

What people are missing here is that State was Hacked three times. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #279

The email thing is over. Without any indictable offense, MineralMan Jul 2016 #6

Splodey heads are slpoding !!!!! We handle it by laughing at them really loud and often uponit7771 Jul 2016 #7

By talking about issues that people actually care about. The email fairy is dead. YouDig Jul 2016 #8

. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #9

So Comey statement is funny to you? tk2kewl Jul 2016 #13

concern trolling is funny to me geek tragedy Jul 2016 #14

She still needs to win the GE tk2kewl Jul 2016 #30

Ha ha Dem2 Jul 2016 #43

Donald Trump. Deal with that. MineralMan Jul 2016 #47

Are you voting for her? Renew Deal Jul 2016 #51

All that matters is "no charges" KingFlorez Jul 2016 #59

That assumes that her republican opponents don't continue to bring it up tk2kewl Jul 2016 #76

Stop it KingFlorez Jul 2016 #84

Touch Tone Revolutionaries have no heart. They attack from behind LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #127

This will go into the long list of things the Republicans continue to bring up csziggy Jul 2016 #111

Or others, even, might keep bringing it up, eh? MineralMan Jul 2016 #137

The head of the FBI just accused our nominee of being extremely careless with classified information Kentonio Jul 2016 #19

your CONCERN is greatly appreciated. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #24

Why are you still fighting the primary? Kentonio Jul 2016 #28

LMAO, nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #31

lol Renew Deal Jul 2016 #48

No, the irony is a bunch of people who kept insisting it was over Kentonio Jul 2016 #106

people who post in a manner consistent with wanting Hillary Clinton to win geek tragedy Jul 2016 #143

You can shove your purity test quite frankly. Kentonio Jul 2016 #249

. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #260

You should share that with your friends who are going out of their way to mock and deride other Dems Kentonio Jul 2016 #261

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #262

The mocking is directed at non-Democrats. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #263

You should go and read those Terms of Service again. Kentonio Jul 2016 #264

I am stating a general proposition not insulting any individual geek tragedy Jul 2016 #265

In which case you're going to also have to accept that ideas of how that can be achieved may differ. Kentonio Jul 2016 #266

Not sure I understand your point. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #267

Exactly, and IMHO she will become considerably more popular by dealing with the trust issue. Kentonio Jul 2016 #268

And she will win charlyvi Jul 2016 #39

Let it go, dear KingFlorez Jul 2016 #36

. Dem2 Jul 2016 #38

give it a rest. cheney and company lied us into war and still won two elections. samsingh Jul 2016 #42

Hear, hear! Native Jul 2016 #95

Yep, and the "and company" included Democrats n/t arcane1 Jul 2016 #109

Comey's personal email WAS hacked last summer. lapucelle Jul 2016 #186

Stop KingFlorez Jul 2016 #20

The Indictment Fairy has flown away. DavidDvorkin Jul 2016 #21

OMG - give it a rest MaggieD Jul 2016 #25

Let's Be Honest. You have an agenda which makes this post's objectivity slim to none. writes3000 Jul 2016 #26

Exactly MaggieD Jul 2016 #58

It is not only the OP that has an agenda missingthebigdog Jul 2016 #86

Just. Stop. Hekate Jul 2016 #27

Lmfao Dem2 Jul 2016 #32

She won't be careless in the future. Give it up. it's over. samsingh Jul 2016 #35

Especially since there were no consequences...n/t TCJ70 Jul 2016 #40

Since the investigation found no evidence of intent, what "consequences" do you imagine? nt procon Jul 2016 #81

I'm not really sure that intent matters so much... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #82

Its an important legal distintion. procon Jul 2016 #118

Administrative sanctions. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #119

Read the statute. lapucelle Jul 2016 #187

Because intelligent people don't change errant behavior unless punished, right? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #93

I should use that if I ever get pulled over for speeding... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #97

LOL ... I don't think that is the response you want to post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #107

Haven't been given the chance yet... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #112

I hope she has finally learned. I suppose we may get to find out tk2kewl Jul 2016 #45

. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #41

... rateyes Jul 2016 #199

I saw the exact same thread on Jackass Laughables, so it CRACKED ME UP! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #201

You get cracked up quite a bit at stuff that rateyes Jul 2016 #203

Oh it's FUCKING HILARIOUS ALL RIGHT!!!! THE INDICTMENT FAIRY DIED!!!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #206

And yet, the civil suit continues. rateyes Jul 2016 #209

THAT'S EVEN MORE PATHETICALLY HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #212

Yep. Judge Sullivan subpoenas Hillary. rateyes Jul 2016 #214

And now they're pushing the LAWSUIT FAIRY!!!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #216

Who is they? rateyes Jul 2016 #219

I think we must wait and see how the Republicans handle it. Of course right off the bat, she will patricia92243 Jul 2016 #44

Bwahahaha Renew Deal Jul 2016 #46

Fixing the holes in the system. joshcryer Jul 2016 #53

Since Trump is in a massive, multi-state fraud lawsuit, I think we're fine. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #56

If you mean Trump University, there's no indictment and probably will be none. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #195

I suggest you work your ass off and help Clinton to get elected. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #57

Clinton made mistakes. lapucelle Jul 2016 #60

I think Some democrats are going to accept it for what it is MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #62

How do Sanders fans deal with it? That's the question The Second Stone Jul 2016 #63

K&R (n/t) PJMcK Jul 2016 #67

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the primary is over Dem2 Jul 2016 #71

And? Dem2 Jul 2016 #70

Posting on DU doesn't help Republicans or Democrats, regardless of what is posted. DesMoinesDem Jul 2016 #94

So you are trying to help the Republicans? Dem2 Jul 2016 #100

Can you not read or did you just completely ignore my post. DesMoinesDem Jul 2016 #129

Who gives a fuck? If its splodey heads they were going to splode anyway uponit7771 Jul 2016 #72

Did you lose a bet? Why are you saying splodey in every thread? DesMoinesDem Jul 2016 #96

You seem to enjoy implying people are stupid Dem2 Jul 2016 #135

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #138

Very interesting Dem2 Jul 2016 #142

You don't count yourself as a supporter of hers in the fall election? nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #150

Meh. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #73

Comey says 'no reasonable prosecutor' would bring a case against Clinton. procon Jul 2016 #74

No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #78

The other concern is the GOP in congress awake Jul 2016 #79

How many times is this story going... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #83

Will someone tell this loser that Hillary is the official nominee?!? see below Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #85

It's over. We do not comment on it. apcalc Jul 2016 #87

I also wonder what Democrats should do floppyboo Jul 2016 #88

By mocking the endless search for new outrages! JoePhilly Jul 2016 #90

I don't think that's really the part of the statement we should be most concerned about. hughee99 Jul 2016 #91

Not really anigbrowl Jul 2016 #99

No, not at all. hughee99 Jul 2016 #110

Oh really anigbrowl Jul 2016 #274

The SoS has considerably authority to classify material, but they do not have nearly as much hughee99 Jul 2016 #275

I missed that 'little turd' floppyboo Jul 2016 #108

it's not an admission, it's a former Ken Starr flunky getting in his partisan attack geek tragedy Jul 2016 #149

If he wanted to get his partisan attack in, why didn't he just recommend prosecution? hughee99 Jul 2016 #155

"will ask for the same treatment Clinton just got." geek tragedy Jul 2016 #156

I think that statement from Comey is an admission that this particular situation was considered hughee99 Jul 2016 #157

what part of "no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" was ambiguous? nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #158

What part of this is ambiguous? hughee99 Jul 2016 #160

you're misstating what Comey was saying, blatantly so geek tragedy Jul 2016 #161

Look up the definition of consequences in the dictionary, it doesn't specifically exclude hughee99 Jul 2016 #167

The FBI director--a career Republican who worked for Ken freaking Starr at the OIC, said geek tragedy Jul 2016 #168

The same guy, an Obama appointee, approved by a Dem senate hughee99 Jul 2016 #169

Republicans will try to spin anything against Democrats, precious geek tragedy Jul 2016 #170

I agree. I'm suggesting THIS might be one of those things they can get a little traction on. hughee99 Jul 2016 #171

except in this instance there are adjectives used to modify the word consequences DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #225

Do you feel this gramatacal distinction will prevent the republicans from being able to portray hughee99 Jul 2016 #226

the repugs would have claimed "special treatment" anyway DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #227

I agree, and I think this statement will be used to hughee99 Jul 2016 #228

the casual observer would have to follow a arguement rather than take what is said at face value DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #233

Not really, the republicans will claim that Clinton got special treatement and then say that even hughee99 Jul 2016 #236

and the person argueing against the arguement could actually point out DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #239

Sure, but most of the spin that's put out isn't done in a debate style forum, and the casual hughee99 Jul 2016 #245

"security or administrative sanctions" are workplace consequences, lapucelle Jul 2016 #183

You're equivocating. lapucelle Jul 2016 #193

I'm not doing in this all over again, please read #167 and #171 and feel free to argue my points. hughee99 Jul 2016 #200

I'm sorry if people are disappointed that someone who did not commit a crime lapucelle Jul 2016 #213

Well, given your weeks of experience here, it hughee99 Jul 2016 #217

regardless of what Comey said they would have spun it that way anyway DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #224

The Republicans spin always creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #229

I agree, but Clinton didn't get 100% clean bill of health, and IMHO Comey provided additional hughee99 Jul 2016 #232

IMO I read that to mean a person lower on the total pile would be fired or demoted DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #220

Actually a great deal of it is ambiguous. hughee99 Jul 2016 #221

With what?? DCBob Jul 2016 #92

Democrats keep their minds on the ultimate goal, that's how. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #102

Give it a rest!!!! redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #103

Thank you for your concern. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #113

It's obvious that those Democrats who already supported Hillary k8conant Jul 2016 #114

There are also PLENTY of us who remember DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #116

And another factor. okasha Jul 2016 #173

Into consideration for what? JTFrog Jul 2016 #134

What are you considering? nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #148

And on and on it goes. randome Jul 2016 #115

The primaries have been over for awhile jcgoldie Jul 2016 #117

If it was me I'd find a sitting President and campaign with him... fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #120

Investigate everyone else treestar Jul 2016 #121

It's over... beachbumbob Jul 2016 #128

The State Dept had such an antiquated system that was hacked numerous times.... Historic NY Jul 2016 #130

I think this is a repost of a JPR post you made. Adrahil Jul 2016 #131

!!! zappaman Jul 2016 #141

Oh, snap...caught in flagrante delicto! Delicious! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #177

It amazes me that they don't realize we check. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #189

It amazes me that you don't realize we check. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #237

Weird. I did a search for the word "Loon" and didn't find it. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #243

It's in #131. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #246

Well to be fair, nolawarlock Jul 2016 #247

Challenge accepted! Jim Lane Jul 2016 #253

Are you serious? nolawarlock Jul 2016 #254

Your view is jaundiced. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #256

I think it should be constricted in that way. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #271

You're certainly correct that JPR prioritizes progressive change over getting Democrats elected Jim Lane Jul 2016 #278

p.s. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #248

She did NOT have this private server to HIDE anything fun n serious Jul 2016 #136

Here's an idea. HassleCat Jul 2016 #140

The perception of wrongdoing is often as damaging is the reality of wrongdoing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #144

Yeah, the Republicans have been making their living creating bogus perceptions for decades. JTFrog Jul 2016 #145

your CONCERN is duly noted nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #147

I'm not concerned. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #152

obviously nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #154

That's ok, we all 'perceive' your agenda emulatorloo Jul 2016 #198

Where's the "smearing" and "false equivalincies" part of my post? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #204

This part emulatorloo Jul 2016 #207

Obviously, you missed a lot of my posts. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #215

Its OVER! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #146

You poor dear. Squinch Jul 2016 #151

We "deal with it" by declaring this fucking nonsense over and done with Tarc Jul 2016 #159

Easy. okasha Jul 2016 #162

Concern duly noted and put in the appropriate file!!!! rbrnmw Jul 2016 #163

DEMOCRATS will cheer at the failure of another unfounded Republican witchhunt. baldguy Jul 2016 #166

Be glad the opponent is an incompetent, somewhat insane, racist, and only a semi sentient TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #172

" how do Democrats deal with this:" We kick ass Nov 4th. seabeyond Jul 2016 #175

Give it up. Hillary is the nominee. RandySF Jul 2016 #176

Please download and post on Facebook gg4usa Jul 2016 #179

I'm moving on to insisting that all candidates finally show us their taxes!!!!!! Walk away Jul 2016 #180

10 recs? 10 too many. But glad to see so few. Metric System Jul 2016 #181

Still fighting the primary, I see. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #184

Against anyone but Trump we would be DOA, but She will win by 10+ points krawhitham Jul 2016 #191

Most will have no problem Andy823 Jul 2016 #196

Keep it simple BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #197

Dear tk2kewl, it's time to move on PJMcK Jul 2016 #205

I think they deal with it by ignoring people like you ... Onlooker Jul 2016 #210

The fact is her server was more secure that the State Dept system BainsBane Jul 2016 #211

Your assertion that her server was more secure is nonsense tk2kewl Jul 2016 #218

"careless" = "convict that Democrat";"deliberate dissemination of classified material" = "enlighten" Dem2 Jul 2016 #222

Then you would imprison the entire state department BainsBane Jul 2016 #223

concern, noted. ericson00 Jul 2016 #230

You really have to read Comey's entire statement Whimsey Jul 2016 #234

Yep it was all done in "Bad-Faith", and it was obvious to many! Her Sister Jul 2016 #272

It's over. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #238

B said it's about judgement. Funny, Martha Stewart went to jail not George Eliot Jul 2016 #244

Here's how I'm going to deal with it... LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #251

By offering policies that help increase the minimum wage, lovemydog Jul 2016 #252

Reasonable people disagree on which documents need to be classified pnwmom Jul 2016 #255

I thought we were all rooting for Democrats now? Democat Jul 2016 #257

It does not matter and will not be dealt with quaker bill Jul 2016 #259

Anyone who shovels bullshit as well as you do Atticus Jul 2016 #273