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Why the Green Party matters. [View all] DanTex Jul 2016 OP

Jill Stein is a joke and I wonder about cosmicone Jul 2016 #1

I agree. But Trump is a joke too. W was a joke. Nader was a joke. DanTex Jul 2016 #2

You seem nice.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #3

Thanks for saving me. pangaia Jul 2016 #81

My pleasure... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #117

eggshells..me too.. pangaia Jul 2016 #118

Giggle Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #128

If you don't feel comfortable supporting the Democratic nominee, why do you post here? yardwork Jul 2016 #158

Any scorched Earth policy is dangerous, KMOD Jul 2016 #4

The Green Party must be terrible. What issues do they support? think Jul 2016 #5

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There is nothing wrong with their platform. KMOD Jul 2016 #11

Do you have a link showing that she believes that Trump is a better alternative? rhett o rick Jul 2016 #14

Its not that Greens like Stein thinks Trump is better, its that... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #35

Exactly! KMOD Jul 2016 #42

It's all perspective. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #48

Jill Stein spends her life running for president on pure ego. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #94

A large ego is damn near a pre-requisite for running for president. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #112

the greens and their minions said the same about Gore and Bush... Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #175

Define your meaning of "neoliberals," please. It's often used Hortensis Jul 2016 #49

Neoliberal and neoconservative -- deceptive terms used in political trickery philly_bob Jul 2016 #90

And also beware of those who use them as shibboleths merely to label anyone who disagrees with them. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #115

LanternWare, please help me out with those precise definitions. philly_bob Jul 2016 #141

Well she said Obama had the house and senate for two years and was worse than Bush..... bettyellen Jul 2016 #96

yes KMOD Jul 2016 #102

? progressoid Jul 2016 #19

Disliking them equally is insane. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #36

Irrelevant. KMOD stated that they think Trump is a better alternative to Clinton. progressoid Jul 2016 #89

here KMOD Jul 2016 #103

I've never heard this Ash_F Jul 2016 #34

You mean neo-cons, not neo-liberals ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #29

.that^ 840high Jul 2016 #39

Their agenda is a bunch of meaningless words on a website. They have no intention of DanTex Jul 2016 #58

They don't support issues, they support Trump. DanTex Jul 2016 #57

It's one thing to not like the Green party. It's another thing entirely to be honest think Jul 2016 #62

I don't like them because they help elect Republicans. Are you accusing me of lying about that? DanTex Jul 2016 #63

They don't support issues Dan? Really? think Jul 2016 #67

No, they don't. They support Republicans. DanTex Jul 2016 #70

So if one was to ask a Green party member what they stand for they'd say the GOP? think Jul 2016 #72

“If you want the parties to diverge from one another, have Bush win.” --Ralph Nader DanTex Jul 2016 #73

Got a link for that? think Jul 2016 #74

Here. DanTex Jul 2016 #75

Ok. Someone on a blog says so. One might expect a more valid source. Usually a claim like this would think Jul 2016 #77

It's not a blog, it's an interview with a journalist, published in Outside Magazine. DanTex Jul 2016 #78

Many times I've seen them say creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #140

It's not as if they WANT Trump to win(or that we have any way of proving that). Ken Burch Jul 2016 #133

Nader wanted Bush to win. This is documented. DanTex Jul 2016 #136

Because she is not the brightest bulb in the socket. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #137

When did I say we can't win this on the merits? I think we can. DanTex Jul 2016 #138

It sounds to me like you want us to anathemize the Greens Ken Burch Jul 2016 #139

I don't want to anathemize anyone. Comparing this to the red scare is crazy. DanTex Jul 2016 #143

Constitutional amendments have passed before. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #144

Really? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #182

Stein herself is unreachable. I never meant try to persuade Stein to change HER mind. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #183

The Greens are a den of evil Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #184

Stein says Trump is better than Clinton. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #123

+1 exactly!! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #107

Here's the short list: Tortmaster Jul 2016 #59

I'd prefer no discussion to a dishonest one. Democrats hopefully can do better than that... think Jul 2016 #65

The poster was teling the truth. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #126

I live in the real world Gothmog Jul 2016 #146

An honest discussion? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #176

the ability to lose every election is what they are most known for. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #174

What a bizarre OP to see on a Democratic website AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #6

Yes sadly bizarre. At one time there was no need for a Green Party because the Democratic rhett o rick Jul 2016 #8

When you attack the Democratic Party and support the ... Tortmaster Jul 2016 #60

Rhett is not, in my opinion, attacking the Democratic Party, pangaia Jul 2016 #82

So, Democrat Since 1966, who should we vote for? progree Jul 2016 #85

Why did Karl Rove fund Nader in 2000 and 2004? Gothmog Jul 2016 #109

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since you brought up bizarre OPs KMOD Jul 2016 #13

Interesting that you support JackPineRadicals and post their OPs here. rhett o rick Jul 2016 #15

Oh, I don't support them at all. KMOD Jul 2016 #18

Discussing and disagreeing with a position is not supporting that position Gothmog Jul 2016 #147

The person you replied to is unable to respond. Due to a posting of his in this thread, I'm pretty progree Jul 2016 #153

I was not aware of that but it does not make a difference Gothmog Jul 2016 #154

No problem. progree Jul 2016 #156

there is a great deal of that...they discuss our posts their too. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #180

I don't care one way or the other what some OP on some other website says AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #24

Jill Stein is not the left. KMOD Jul 2016 #25

Yes, she is on the left AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #26

Jill Stein is so left she's right. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #28

Close. The far left and far right are kissing cousins. Hortensis Jul 2016 #31

It's the whole horseshoe theory. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #33

For those who don't know BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #46

Or, as the old saying goes, "extremes meet." nolawarlock Jul 2016 #54

Or are as close to BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #55

Exactly. And no surprise that, although Bernie's Hortensis Jul 2016 #47

Well I take my hat off to Bernie. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #53

Bernie has that ability to speak compellingly Hortensis Jul 2016 #69

+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #44

. KMOD Jul 2016 #32

You guys? Do mean us Democrats? KMOD Jul 2016 #30

And you are obsessed with her why? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #45

Why is it you can never offer any productive conversation? KMOD Jul 2016 #51

This OP is productive conversation? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #110

Nope, she's a wingnut on the right who says Trump is better than Clinton. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #127

She is barely to the left of center AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #129

Nope, she's EXTREME rightwing. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #130

Name one of her policy positions that is 'EXTREME rightwing' AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #131

She says Trump is better than Clinton MohRokTah Jul 2016 #132

Exact quote plus link please AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #134

I do not respond to posters who attack me personally multiple times. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #135

Agreed. 840high Jul 2016 #40

I personally think everyone on JPR should be institutionalized. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #27

At minimum. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #83

What's bizarre about it? The Greens are an opposition, pro-GOP party. DanTex Jul 2016 #64

I do agree that the Green Party matters. They now carry the torch for issues that rhett o rick Jul 2016 #10

Jill Stein and Ralph Nader KMOD Jul 2016 #16

Jill bashes Democrats with ad hominem attacks. Shes a nutjob. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #37

May I ask, in what way auntpurl Jul 2016 #43

You might reasonably pose the same question to nolawarlock Jim Lane Jul 2016 #56

The assholes posting at that site are not Dems. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #79

You're running up Trump's champagne bill but he can presumably afford it. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #106

Meh, the one's being referred to are proclaiming there giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #113

The Green Party carries water for Trump, and that's all they carry. DanTex Jul 2016 #61

A Great Man? LOL. Though you are right about one thing redstateblues Jul 2016 #80

Ugh. This Nader/Green thing again? progressoid Jul 2016 #12

There seems to be a need to find someone to hate. nm rhett o rick Jul 2016 #17

Wait! Someone is hating someone besides Hillary? KMOD Jul 2016 #21

Yeah, maybe we could put more energy into being Democrats instead. progressoid Jul 2016 #22

That would be lovely. KMOD Jul 2016 #23

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They are through hating Bernie so 840high Jul 2016 #41

Yep, Sanders endorses Clinton and over the next two days we get a big influx of posts about Stein. Chathamization Jul 2016 #86

It is a "burr in my britches," yes. Like I said, 2000 was my first election as an adult. DanTex Jul 2016 #68

She's not going ally with the Donald. progressoid Jul 2016 #87

She already is, same as Nader was a Bush ally. DanTex Jul 2016 #88

What? Show us when/where she's indicated she's trying to help Trump get elected. progressoid Jul 2016 #91

Actions speak louder than words. Her actions are obviously helping Trump DanTex Jul 2016 #92

OK, so this is mostly a threat in your head. progressoid Jul 2016 #97

It's a very real threat. I lived through the 2000 disaster, did you? DanTex Jul 2016 #98

"What could Jill Stein possibly accomplish by attacking Hillary"? progressoid Jul 2016 #104

I'm not denying that Stein could "make a difference in the world." DanTex Jul 2016 #111

Votes we can't win don't have to be anyone else's fault but our own. n/t Orsino Jul 2016 #100

Stein seems genuinely unhinged and goofy The Second Stone Jul 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #50

okey dokey KMOD Jul 2016 #52

the "greens" ego are more important than America's wellbeing and why sacrificing american lives beachbum bob Jul 2016 #66

When I think back on the horror Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #71

Very good point. yardwork Jul 2016 #159

Exactly right...we never get anywhere by voting Green or third party. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #173

Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #76

They function like a GOP Super PAC? That makes me wonder, exactly how different, NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #84

What a detrimental attitude this OP expresses. In 2008 I saw Michelle Obama make Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #93

Jill Stein is the one with the detrimental attitude. Strange that you don't have a problem DanTex Jul 2016 #95

When Michelle did what I recounted she was not First Lady either. Just smart. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #99

How do you feel about the Stein method? Do you think it is detrimental to Democrats and helpful DanTex Jul 2016 #101

Obvious ignore of BNW's questions. Rude Arazi Jul 2016 #121

Nope, BNW is ignoring my questions. Why are Green defenders afraid to answer these basic questions? DanTex Jul 2016 #124

It provides a scapegoat when the Democratic Party loses. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #105

They caused the loss in 2000. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #145

Without the Greens, we would not have the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the VRA Gothmog Jul 2016 #148

Exactly right Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #172

Only if you assume that they would have voted for Gore. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #151

All 97,488 votes for Nader were from Florida Green Party members?? progree Jul 2016 #155

It is not just about Florida Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #179

No. Democrats voted for Greens ...just like this year Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #171

I think that's misleading to the point of being wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #167

Gore would have won Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #170

Great OP-the Green Party is an arm of the GOP Gothmog Jul 2016 #108

Come on, that's just not true. TheFarseer Jul 2016 #114

The problem is that their method of moving the Dems left DanTex Jul 2016 #116

You make some solid points in paragraph 2 & 5 TheFarseer Jul 2016 #120

I don't see any real case for what you describe here: DanTex Jul 2016 #122

And yet Karl Rove funded this party in 2000 Gothmog Jul 2016 #119

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K&R. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #142

We should start calling them the Green Operative Party, so the initials match. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #149

Green Operative Party ! Yes yes yes! Her Sister Jul 2016 #162

Yes we should they are in bed together Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #177

Cornel West is supporting Stein and the Green Party Gothmog Jul 2016 #150

I believe that he and Nina and Susan will be out campaining for Jill in a few weeks. nt glennward Jul 2016 #157

Nina? I guess she's decided to give up any future she might have had in the Democratic party Peigan68 Jul 2016 #160

Well said! Spazito Jul 2016 #152

Green Party = Hate Democratic Party + Hard Hard-ON for GOP ! Her Sister Jul 2016 #161

Bad premise quaker bill Jul 2016 #163

"The people I know who will vote Green were never voting for Hillary..." DanTex Jul 2016 #164

I worked for Al Gore in FL in 2000 quaker bill Jul 2016 #165

Exit polls, according to Nader, show that 38% of his supporters would have voted for Gore progree Jul 2016 #168

Anyone who votes Green is a Republican sympathizer n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #166

Those who think the Greens are our allies are wrong. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Jul 2016 #178

They matter because Jill Stein gives progressives a bad name. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #181