2016 Postmortem

The Velveteen Ocelot

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42. Whether or not the actions of DWC and the DNC affected the outcome

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:36 AM

Jul 2016

of these primaries isn't important at this point - they probably didn't. What is important is being able to trust the process. If in four years or eight years there's another contested primary and there's so little confidence in the process, good people (especially if outside the "establishment&quot will be discouraged from becoming candidates because they'll assume they either won't get much support from the DNC, or they'll even be actively sabotaged. Potential supporters will be discouraged from getting involved because they'll think their candidate might get kneecapped by the organization that's supposed to help. It's essential that the DNC really is reformed to be truly fair and impartial, and that everyone can trust and believe that it is.

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Matt Taibbi: DNC Leak Shows Mechanics of a Slanted Campaign [View all] babylonsister Jul 2016 OP

From Sander's press officer: NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION emulatorloo Jul 2016 #1

Does that vindicate the actions of the DNC? think Jul 2016 #2

actions can be both indefensible and mostly inconsequential geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3

Multiple well known main stream sources reported on the same issue in Bernie's claims. think Jul 2016 #4

the DNC staff didn't like Sanders geek tragedy Jul 2016 #5

Structural bias, you say? paparush Jul 2016 #69

There was only one campaign that raised money for state geek tragedy Jul 2016 #70

Did I say it did? Posted because I think should be part of article discussion. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #9

Thank you for your response. /nt think Jul 2016 #11

Of course! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #12

VERY good response! My thoughts almost exactly. THANKS!!! RBInMaine Jul 2016 #16

No evidence of a conspiracy, you say? kristopher Jul 2016 #49

The traditional Democratic base, or as Wellstone called us redqueen Jul 2016 #55

Does anything vindicate the many illegal/unethical actions of the Sanders campaign? KittyWampus Jul 2016 #83

That wasn't point of the article, but you seem defensive. JRLeft Jul 2016 #36

Matt Tiabbi, by leaps and bounds is the most astute and ethical journalist in the business. IMO nt Snotcicles Jul 2016 #6

+1 think Jul 2016 #7

+1 avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #8

I'm assuming you meant that ironically. nt One of the 99 Jul 2016 #10

Our 'confirmation bias' is showing. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #13

No. Really don't trust any of them. One of the 99 Jul 2016 #35

Tiabbi is EXAGGERATING THIS BIGTIME! RBInMaine Jul 2016 #15

Matt Tiabbi, by leaps and bounds is the most astute and ethical journalist in the business. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #31

Michael Hastings, RIP, was also a true journalist. I miss him very much. floriduck Jul 2016 #53

+100000000000000000000000000000000 etc.... Phlem Jul 2016 #67

Oh dear! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #71

LOL! Actually, he's playing to his audience. And apparently you are one of them. KittyWampus Jul 2016 #84

BULLSHIT! A few dumb emails didn't mean any big conspiracy against Bernie. PISS on Taibbi. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #14

For something babylonsister Jul 2016 #18

He's not informing anyone. He's playing to some Sanders' supporters need to feel cheated. KittyWampus Jul 2016 #85

From the OP Omaha Steve Jul 2016 #68

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #90

One email we don't have in context treestar Jul 2016 #95

In what may be the first instance of a comparison between parties that's reasonably apt . . . MrModerate Jul 2016 #17

A roots cause is the state's rights control of voting, no standards like driving or commerce. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #20

Agreed. Laser102 Jul 2016 #51

And people wonder why Sander's delegates might be upset? jalan48 Jul 2016 #19

I don't wonder. They're upset because they're misinformed. They're misinformed because BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #21

Looks like you missed the email leaks about the smears against Sanders. jalan48 Jul 2016 #23

Nope. Again, you're misinformed. The DNC did not "smear" Sanders in any way. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #29

I think you are the one who is misinformed. jalan48 Jul 2016 #30

Nope, still you. There are no actions during the primaries that can be traced to the emails. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #34

THE DNC CFO suggest using Bernie's religion against him. The DNC isn't part of the Clinton campaign think Jul 2016 #38

One guy suggested it and the suggestion was shot down (nt) Recursion Jul 2016 #78

The DNC's chief financial officer mentioned using Sanders' religion against him. How is that think Jul 2016 #79

Everybody I read agrees he should be fired Recursion Jul 2016 #81

The person is STILL there. Is he not? think Jul 2016 #82

So, to be clear, the problem is that the CFO wasn't fired for an internal email Recursion Jul 2016 #87

Brad Marshall suggested using Sanders religion against him as a supposed NEUTRAL member of the DNC think Jul 2016 #88

It has. Don't really care. My candidate was *completely* shut out by the DNC Recursion Jul 2016 #89

You don't care. Well. That explains a lot. think Jul 2016 #93

Right. jalan48 Jul 2016 #40

Keep replying; I won't see it. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #43

A few slanted emails = conspiracy is why I'm upset with 72 recs of stupid shit uponit7771 Jul 2016 #91

Good for you. jalan48 Jul 2016 #101

Love Taibbi colsohlibgal Jul 2016 #22

Virtually no one in Congress endorsed Sanders from the start. randome Jul 2016 #24

Well, you just found an excuse babylonsister Jul 2016 #25

Their 'cheating' consisted of a handful of emails. randome Jul 2016 #54

Primary is over. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #26

It's not just about Sanders loosing. It's about a process that is bent toward insiders with a FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #60

Oh boo hoo Rose Siding Jul 2016 #27

The DNC wanted a Democrat to win. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #33

^ This JRLeft Jul 2016 #37

He railed against dems and sued them for a data breach that...YIKES was done by him fun n serious Jul 2016 #59

Best article on the leaks so far. n/t DirkGently Jul 2016 #28

Like Taibbi said... Scalded Nun Jul 2016 #32

Evidenced by the replies to the post. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #44

It means people aren't willing to give Clinton her due if a claim with no facts behind it other... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #92

Hey Taibbi. It wasn't a leak. It was theft...nt SidDithers Jul 2016 #39

So It's all good then. Got it. truebluegreen Jul 2016 #61

By Putin no less workinclasszero Jul 2016 #86

The real scandal is that DNC bent the rules against ANYONE who was not pledged to HRC prior to. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #41

Shhhh, you're not following the script redqueen Jul 2016 #57

Can you prove this? fun n serious Jul 2016 #63

Another claim with no proof just like this article uponit7771 Jul 2016 #94

Whether or not the actions of DWC and the DNC affected the outcome The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #42

What is important is being able to trust the process. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #45

It has already had an effect on local, state and congressional runs. 2 years from now it will again. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #47

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #46

This is more evidence that the rot must be Chimichurri Jul 2016 #48

Actually down the road what it will actually likely cause is for the DNC to change its rules and cstanleytech Jul 2016 #50

Spoken like someone who wants the party to go the way of the Whigs. TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #66

Not at all. The tent can be as large as needed they just need to cstanleytech Jul 2016 #76

Forced to fund his operations.............WTF Historic NY Jul 2016 #52

Disengenuous. It was pretty apparent how lacking impartiality the DNC was. FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #65

Stirring the Shit Pot! Cryptoad Jul 2016 #56

BULLSHIT Florencenj2point0 Jul 2016 #58

. truebluegreen Jul 2016 #64

Bottom line: Having helped manage Hillary's 2008 presidential campaign rocktivity Jul 2016 #73

Facts matter little to none for some. At this point some people are willing to grab ahold of... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #96

Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Jul 2016 #62

Hey Matt, where the hell are the RNC emails? Where's the attack on their campaign? Hekate Jul 2016 #72

I've lost respect if he's saying there's anything other than a couple of emails... people are uponit7771 Jul 2016 #98

Seems to me The Victory Fund stuff is serious & election fraud. This isn't going to go away. stuffmatters Jul 2016 #74

For me, this whole thing is MUCH bigger than Sanders -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #75

No, no, Matt, it was just some idle gossip. At least that's what I'm being told by the same ... Scuba Jul 2016 #77

De you have any proof of the opposite or just willing to believe any little thing that supports this uponit7771 Jul 2016 #97

None so blind as those who refuse to see. Scuba Jul 2016 #99

So I'll take that as a no, you have nothing and neither does this shit article from Taibbi... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #100

That loss still hurts, huh? nt LexVegas Jul 2016 #80

Have you seen this vid from ABC News yet? Hekate Jul 2016 #102