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RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
65. That's incredibly foolish logic.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jul 2016

If a Democrat, like me, finds it (the DNC emails that were entirely no surprise but still appalling ended it for me) unacceptable to cast a vote for a particular Democratic candidate for a particular office, that person is not suddenly a supporter of Republicans.

I have never, once, voted for a Republican in my life. That's 27 years of post-age-18 voting for Democrats in every partisan election, always.

I am absolutely, positively, unequivocally opposed to a Donald Trump presidency. But I am also, finally, absolutely opposed to a Hillary Clinton presidency as well. Nothing to do with Bernie Sanders. I am firmly convinced that the Clintons have profoundly abused the connections that they developed during their time in the White House, and that the Democratic party has become a racket. Either we recover and rehabilitate it, or republican democracy in the United States simply dies.

I've voted for 'lesser of two evils' all my life, but in the current presidential election, the evils are so profound that I regard the only sane course is abstinence from casting a presidential vote.

I may get banned - OK. Moderators - go right ahead if you insist and hide this. Ban me. But if you do, you are also part of the problem, and that's not an ignorant cheap shot - it's the plain truth, as much as any thing may be said to be true.

If the chief accomplishment of the 2016 election is the prevention of a Donald Trump presidency then the Democratic party has made mistakes of the highest order in perverting the 2016 party presidential primary/caucus to serve a single candidate, the candidate's methods of building power, and the candidate's friends. How much lower can it sink? There will be no reform from within when those we grant immense power are, themselves, the very basis of the need for reform. In what universe does this make sense?

I can not imagine voting for a Republican, ever. The Republican party was a racket long before the Democratic party, and it provokes racism, religious bigotry, and deep disdain for the very government that it has been a major part of for around 150 years (if you can get past that, there's not much helping you) in order to motivate its potential voters.

But if Democrats accept that their party is, oh, pretty corrupt and generally controlled by a cabal of insiders, many of whom make handsome careers by obtaining favorable government treatment of their clients, but say 'well, this really isn't the time to deal with that,' then we must hold our citizenship pretty cheaply.

Maybe this will be my final DU post, but your statement is deeply, utterly wrong, and it is so because the present Democratic party is a tool of people who absolutely should not be trusted to govern our country as participants in its (formally, at least) context as a Republic maintained by a representative democratic process.

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That describes the future of a Bob liberal N proud Jul 2016 #1
That sums up how I feel about "Democrats" who are helping Trump. Doodley Jul 2016 #2
Yes. We must defeat Trump's more obvious form of Oligarchy. The Far Left Jul 2016 #35
Trump needs to be inevestigate if he is working with Putin to attack America lewebley3 Jul 2016 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3
No one actually said that. iandhr Jul 2016 #4
What? I thought that was a photograph. Are you sure it's not? Akamai Jul 2016 #14
+1 n/t. okieinpain Jul 2016 #17
If Trump gets elected, even cameras will go to crap. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #21
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #5
K & R nt TeamPooka Jul 2016 #6
K & R! calimary Jul 2016 #7
K & R 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #8
I hate to laugh but it is kinda true amuse bouche Jul 2016 #9
And then Stryder Jul 2016 #25
I can't help wondering "what if". Jim Lane Jul 2016 #28
Something Bad pdxflyboy Jul 2016 #47
^^^ Yes. And the ship of state does not turn on a dime - it will turn over. ehrnst Jul 2016 #58
you nor heaven05 Jul 2016 #52
And Our Corrupt Government Will Stay Corrupt Yallow Jul 2016 #10
This isn't a place for people who want to throw their vote away realmirage Jul 2016 #12
Amen! Although I am a heathen -- you're correct!!! Akamai Jul 2016 #15
That's incredibly foolish logic. RiverNoord Jul 2016 #65
So you want to hit the suicide button for everyone realmirage Jul 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author RiverNoord Jul 2016 #75
Your fucking reply title had an insult in it. realmirage Jul 2016 #77
Let me explain a little bit realmirage Jul 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author RiverNoord Jul 2016 #76
Yeah, because Donald "I'm beholden to the Russian mafia thucythucy Jul 2016 #18
Is that the stamping of feet I hear? Rose Siding Jul 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #36
As if our government was ever corruption free - but at least we won't be living Mad Max with Hillary ehrnst Jul 2016 #54
I'm a big Bernista . . FairWinds Jul 2016 #11
Nobody wants you to shut up about those things realmirage Jul 2016 #13
+1! nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #19
This! People can vote for Hillary... Beartracks Jul 2016 #16
absolutely right - we can't afford to lose this one. None of us can. realmirage Jul 2016 #23
... IronLionZion Jul 2016 #27
Hey, where did you get . . FairWinds Jul 2016 #50
No one wants you to stfu. Your voice on those issues is needed. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #45
Who said STFU? Join Bernie in carrying things forward. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #55
It's a Berniephobe mocking Sanders people who haven't come around yet. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #63
All those kids are going to be working in the Gulag bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #20
Wait, did you just say "kids?" How very un-PC of you. Those people are adults! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #48
"Can I just say to the Bernie or bust people, you're being ridiculous" red dog 1 Jul 2016 #22
you're not understanding how much sexism plays into the election Skittles Jul 2016 #24
Yes!! ^^^ THIS!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #46
Sexism plays a role, but not among people on the left, for Goddess sakes. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #64
LOL Skittles Jul 2016 #67
People who preferred Bernie to HRC(a group that included a lot of women)did so on the issues. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #72
dup Skittles Jul 2016 #73
I wasn't even talking about Bernie Skittles Jul 2016 #74
I'm sorry. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #78
Hillary has been trashed far more than her fair share Skittles Jul 2016 #80
A now unified party thanks Bernie and looks to overthrowing the Repub Congress. #StrongerTogether L. Coyote Jul 2016 #29
I'm glad she didn't choose Sen Warren, but she could have chosen someone with a personality MidwestTech Jul 2016 #49
"We NEED Elizabeth Warren in the Senate"? red dog 1 Jul 2016 #61
Hold your CHILD and vote for Hillary. Bernie is. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #56
Is that a little "Trump-Pence" sign you have there? red dog 1 Jul 2016 #59
It's the joke GIF from Samantha Bee auntpurl Jul 2016 #66
Thanks for clearing that up for me. red dog 1 Jul 2016 #68
Great cartoon Gothmog Jul 2016 #26
LOL! Feet are stamped............. raven mad Jul 2016 #30
Thanks for your hard work! Stronger Together! Gotta say, Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #31
I'll work as hard as I did for Barack. raven mad Jul 2016 #32
We call them by their first names in Minnesota too. dflprincess Jul 2016 #34
K & R! Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #37
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2016 #38
Duplicate post That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #39
Which is why I hope some people take it to heart ffr Jul 2016 #40
Can't agree. HRC wins or looses based on HRC. LarryNM Jul 2016 #41
Inaction is also action, and has a moral consequence. ehrnst Jul 2016 #57
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #42
K&R ExtraGriz Jul 2016 #43
I'll pull the lever for Hillary, but that is because I'll vote against trump Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #44
Look, I myself am voting for Hillary, mostly because Bernie was able to move the party JCanete Jul 2016 #53
Grow up Wibly Jul 2016 #60
Actually, this is a cartoon. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #62
ROFL! recommended! Bill USA Jul 2016 #71
This is so common I have made a guess. If the daily bashing of Sanders supporters continues Todays_Illusion Jul 2016 #79
Kicked! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #81
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