2016 Postmortem

workinclasszero

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67. Oh I get it...

Reply to John Poet (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:23 PM

Jul 2016

After Shrub goes in kicks over the hornets nest O should have just said Fuck it, let ISIS take over.

Is that it?

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These "no more war" assholes need to explain how we end the wars without ISIS taking over [View all] realmirage Jul 2016 OP

Easy: Don't go over there and displace governments John Poet Jul 2016 #1

Yeah, and who did that? That was the Shrub who did that DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #2

Yes, Shrub-- supported by a whole lot of Democrats who John Poet Jul 2016 #4

We just sent 560 troops and are preparing to send more for an up coming battle in Mosal think Jul 2016 #27

my POINT is DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #31

This is truth FrodosPet Jul 2016 #116

Easy, end dependcy on oil. We have the technology Exilednight Jul 2016 #120

No - NOT easy leftynyc Jul 2016 #139

why do they radicalize? Exilednight Jul 2016 #141

It doesn't matter now leftynyc Jul 2016 #143

The first step in solvung problem is properly identifying it. Exilednight Jul 2016 #144

I'd take every single military person leftynyc Jul 2016 #145

You'd see a lot less self radicalization here and in Europe if Exilednight Jul 2016 #147

While I'd be happy to navel gaze leftynyc Jul 2016 #148

We have to take the first step before moving on to that step. As long as Exilednight Jul 2016 #149

Sigh leftynyc Jul 2016 #150

You're looking for a solution that doesn't exist. it's the same as your neighbor Exilednight Jul 2016 #154

So just ignore it? leftynyc Jul 2016 #155

No. I never said ignore it. Exilednight Jul 2016 #162

And who else voted for it?????? adigal Jul 2016 #101

and Obama Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #110

Yeah because Saddam was such a gem. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #3

Well, then why don't we just invade Honduras John Poet Jul 2016 #6

Are you advocating US military intervention? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #7

That is what your sentiment seems to suggest. John Poet Jul 2016 #18

Shrub caused a mess. A still ongoing mess. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #21

Talking out of both sides of your mouth runaway hero Jul 2016 #30

The Prophet Mohammed and the Crusaders had their part as well FrodosPet Jul 2016 #124

Oh that is a duzy. pangaia Jul 2016 #127

And thanks to our illegal invasion dflprincess Jul 2016 #24

True. An illegal invasion it was. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #72

And if not for the invasion, his capture, and his execution FrodosPet Jul 2016 #128

Wow.... think Jul 2016 #29

So just to be clear on this, you supported a war of aggression against Iraq. Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #112

To late. We can't change it now. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #5

We DON'T fix anything by trying to shut down dissent here, John Poet Jul 2016 #9

boy oh boy DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #11

The wars have cause massive problems with refugees. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #16

"no more war" isn't dissent, it's gibberish that has no basis in reality right now realmirage Jul 2016 #23

Then get busy. tazkcmo Jul 2016 #48

The war has already been going for quite some time if you haven't noticed. Please explain realmirage Jul 2016 #61

Yes Bush started the Iraq war and subsequent administration continued the wars many long years, avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #73

Hello? Are you responding to my OP from the year 2003? realmirage Jul 2016 #8

Not by trying to shut up peace activists. John Poet Jul 2016 #10

they're BoBers who are playing at being peace activists DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #12

exactlyyyy realmirage Jul 2016 #20

+1 sarae Jul 2016 #41

I'm just shaking my head at how you paint everyone with the same BoB brush adigal Jul 2016 #102

+1! tecelote Jul 2016 #105

If you dissent, you'll be beaten until you can't speak anymore. eom cyberpunk Jul 2016 #123

Again I ask, what meaning does "no more war" have if that's not possible without killing ourselves realmirage Jul 2016 #14

Is that what they are today? nt procon Jul 2016 #32

Why don't we start by rhetorically beating up on some peace activists? John Poet Jul 2016 #46

Don't change the subject. I've asked you to explain how we get out of the wars realmirage Jul 2016 #65

Stop me if I'm wrong workinclasszero Jul 2016 #35

AGREED realmirage Jul 2016 #38

Who continued the wars, after the GOP was no longer in power? John Poet Jul 2016 #43

Oh I get it... workinclasszero Jul 2016 #67

& 9/11? that was our fault too? uhnope Jul 2016 #109

It was ultimately the result of long term US foreign policy. Kentonio Jul 2016 #131

how exactly did we hurt poor Osama Bin Laden and those Saudi assholes who did 9/11? n/t uhnope Jul 2016 #132

By supporting Israel lancer78 Jul 2016 #167

Your solution to defeating ISIS is time-travel? DetlefK Jul 2016 #113

Looking backward is unproductive leftynyc Jul 2016 #138

Guess I'm just another "no more war" asshole. stone space Jul 2016 #13

Ok, so then you need to explain how we end the wars without ISIS taking over and us having realmirage Jul 2016 #17

That you, W ? John Poet Jul 2016 #22

Do you know anything about the situation there? realmirage Jul 2016 #25

wow stone space Jul 2016 #28

Another no more war asshole here, that's me. Nt lostnfound Jul 2016 #54

Ok, so then explain your plan to get us out of Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan without ISIS realmirage Jul 2016 #59

We're the biggest dog on the planet and bad people are always testing us and our allies. procon Jul 2016 #39

So your solution to isis is.....what? leftynyc Jul 2016 #140

I wouldn't go there either Uponthegears Jul 2016 #15

Ok, then you need to explain how we pull out of Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan without realmirage Jul 2016 #19

How about this Uponthegears Jul 2016 #40

How do we improve their lives if they're being lined up on the ground realmirage Jul 2016 #63

They are not under constant control Uponthegears Jul 2016 #70

Oh, did I mention Uponthegears Jul 2016 #45

Oh, and one more thing Uponthegears Jul 2016 #47

You guys said Trump couldn't ban muslims runaway hero Jul 2016 #26

We already have war. Explain to me how we end these wars without ISIS destroying us realmirage Jul 2016 #36

But that can't be possible runaway hero Jul 2016 #44

We need more war HassleCat Jul 2016 #33

No, it's on you to explain how we get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria without killing ourselves realmirage Jul 2016 #37

Crickets redstateblues Jul 2016 #133

Playing into their hands HassleCat Jul 2016 #165

Issue Letters Marque to the Zetas AngryAmish Jul 2016 #34

What most people mean is this. jonestonesusa Jul 2016 #42

It may not always be that simple. procon Jul 2016 #53

So our recent wars have been jonestonesusa Jul 2016 #55

Its still not a one size fits all solution, yeah? nt procon Jul 2016 #58

I agree it's not a one size fits all solution jonestonesusa Jul 2016 #69

Doesn't matter, it's less about the ones shouting No more war, and more about who they're shouting SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #81

Muslim countries need to take over this fight. riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #49

Ok so explain how we do that. Explain how those 3 countries, which have failed to realmirage Jul 2016 #57

KSA, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE - ie, some of the richest countries in the world step up riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #62

Ok so now explain how we convince them to do that, and explain HOW they can beat ISIS realmirage Jul 2016 #64

Nope. It's their civil war. We just get out. riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #68

You're an educated Hillary supporter? You read Bernie's positions? Arazi Jul 2016 #75

We're not having difficulty. We're pussyfooting it. cyberpunk Jul 2016 #125

My GOD man anoNY42 Jul 2016 #106

I so agree TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author elehhhhna Jul 2016 #50

that's one of the most preposterous things I've seen all day.... mike_c Jul 2016 #51

I'm referring to the chanters at the convention. I think it's clear that their timing is idiotic. realmirage Jul 2016 #56

There's a nasty infestation of authoritarian professed-Democrats John Poet Jul 2016 #77

Hillary decided to run for president, that's what happened to DU. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #84

Neocolonial "liberals". eom cyberpunk Jul 2016 #126

The self-marginalizing loony left rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #52

Law enforcement zipplewrath Jul 2016 #60

The problem with some people is that they live in Ivory towers. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #66

You got it right Agador. I didn't say I like it, but realmirage Jul 2016 #78

Proud NMWA!!! bigwillq Jul 2016 #74

About the same way we got out of Vietnam-we left. jalan48 Jul 2016 #76

Please tell me you aren't comparing ISIS realmirage Jul 2016 #80

That's what I'm telling you. It's never ending war for the US. jalan48 Jul 2016 #82

No. Go research the aims of North Vietnam realmirage Jul 2016 #83

LOL-our government lied to us about Vietnam-you know that right? jalan48 Jul 2016 #85

I am trying to be restrained here. realmirage Jul 2016 #86

Stay relaxed. jalan48 Jul 2016 #89

Our government isn't saying it, ISIS is. realmirage Jul 2016 #90

The real message is fear. jalan48 Jul 2016 #91

So the Paris attacks, Orlando, etc aren't real huh? realmirage Jul 2016 #93

Yep-they are. How do you fight a war against ideas, especially religious ones? jalan48 Jul 2016 #94

You prevent those ideas from getting control of countries realmirage Jul 2016 #95

It sounds like a good idea. jalan48 Jul 2016 #97

Al Queda anoNY42 Jul 2016 #107

The only thing necessary... MrWendel Jul 2016 #79

We lost. Get out. Get over it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #87

Am I in the twilight zone? realmirage Jul 2016 #88

We've been through the "falling dominoes" before. Remember? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #96

Or, it's working exactly as planned. tecelote Jul 2016 #108

Even worse, the North Vietnamese were going to be puppets of the Chinese DefenseLawyer Jul 2016 #153

'No more war" is a goal, not a policy Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #92

They're already collapsing. Turns out administering territory is expensive. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #98

It's quite possible to be utterly opposed to war and NOT be a total asshole @ the Dem convention. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #99

The world is a very violent place, and how we protect ourselves and help The Second Stone Jul 2016 #100

I support those who chanted "NO MORE WAR." David__77 Jul 2016 #103

Uh anoNY42 Jul 2016 #104

As a Vietnam veteran, I applaud them! B Calm Jul 2016 #111

As a Vietnam veteran, can you answer the question? DetlefK Jul 2016 #114

Can you? B Calm Jul 2016 #115

Step 1: Don't stop bombing the shit out of ISIS. DetlefK Jul 2016 #119

And you still haven't answered your own question B Calm Jul 2016 #121

Sorry, my bad. Here is my answer: DetlefK Jul 2016 #122

Looks like no win situations for the USA, unless you are a war profiteer. B Calm Jul 2016 #129

This is not about the US. DetlefK Jul 2016 #130

Are you willing to put your life in arms way for this never ending war? B Calm Jul 2016 #135

Pfft. I might as well ask you the counter-question: DetlefK Jul 2016 #137

This is perverse anoNY42 Jul 2016 #151

Thanks for answering my question. B Calm Jul 2016 #152

enact an embargo on arms sales, for one Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #117

"Six Steps Short of War to Beat ISIS" Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #118

After more than 14 years of the wrong answers and the disasters that followed, do you have anything Glassunion Jul 2016 #134

Oy, vey. TransitJohn Jul 2016 #136

I'm opposed much more to the undeclared, endless pseudowars we keep fighting for Cheney. Orsino Jul 2016 #142

The anti-war crowd are almost always proven right. cpwm17 Jul 2016 #146

Ok, so tell me what you think will happen if we pull out of there tomorrow and ISIS gets control realmirage Jul 2016 #160

We're not the only nation fighting ISIS. cpwm17 Jul 2016 #161

Watch this, which I know you wont realmirage Jul 2016 #163

get our allies like Turkey to stop buying oil from them? other allies from funding them? yurbud Jul 2016 #156

I agree, and we've been trying, but we can't force Turkey to do anything realmirage Jul 2016 #159

freeze the assets of those trading the oil and even ban exports of oil from Turkey yurbud Jul 2016 #166

It's funny how the legal and diplomatic niceties only matter when it would really solve a problem yurbud Jul 2016 #168

Maybe if the "more war" assholes had a plan GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #157

It has been, mostly. There have been a couple of errors, as will happen, but realmirage Jul 2016 #158

MORE WAR MORE WAR MORE WAR MORE WAR MORE chascarrillo Jul 2016 #164