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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:19 PM Nov 2012

My response to my religious aunt who has a heavy heart over the election results. [View all]

She was raised in a Catholic family, grew up with Democratic parents, was a Democrat herself, but then moved to Texas and left the Church and became very religious and very conservative. It's been sad watching her transformation and while I love her, and get along with her very well, her post on Facebook tonight couldn't be ignored.

Her post:

My heart is heavy because I finally realized that we are no longer a Christian nation....one nation under God. We are a secular nation who has taken God out of everything and as a Christian who believes that God is our ultimate leader I must therefore be obedient to his laws. Gay marriage, abortion on demand all oppose God's teachings. I love my friends who have chosen the gay lifestyle and they are welcome in my home, but their lifestyle is a sin. I love my friends who have had abortions and have cried with them over having to make such a hard decision, but it's still a sin, even though I grieve for them and with them, just like God does. It's time we start being accountable for our decisions and our lifestyles. We can't ask God to bless our lives and our nation and then disregard his rules.


And my reply:

I am sorry you feel that way, Caroline. I think this speaks to why the Founding Fathers were so careful to construct a constitution that defined the importance of separation of Church and State. They realized religion is often used as a tool of division and sadly, Caroline, that's exactly what I see from your post and your tone.

We didn't reject God because we decided it was okay to embrace equality or that a woman who has been raped shouldn't be forced to carry her rape baby - that is irrelevant and again, two issues that the religious right and the Republican Party have used to successfully divide our country for the last forty-years.

You say you love your friends who've 'chosen' the gay lifestyle ... but do you? Suggesting that they are the bane of everything that is wrong with this country and holding them in such contempt is not love. It's not kindness.

Your heart is heavy today, Caroline, because it's not embraced inclusiveness. Instead, sadly, it's filled with bitterness and division and that to me is the least commendable thing about so many Christians. America is great not because we are a Christian nation ... but because we are just ONE nation. It does not matter if half that nation believes in Islam or Christianity or Judaism or even nothing ... because the power of a nation, the success of a nation, does not come from whose Christianity is bigger and better, but by whose ideas are bigger and better.

We need to stop playing the game of division or we will sink as a country because I can guarantee you, the hate on both sides - whether it's toward our President or even Republicans - is more concerning, more damaging and more devastating to our nation's future than whether Jack and John want to marry and spend the rest of their lives together living in happiness and respect.
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My Catholic relatives Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #1
I noticed Obama won the Catholic vote again! Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #4
Of course! Because he's O'bama, remember? :^) codjh9 Nov 2012 #7
What do you mean by that? southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #16
When he ran the first time, and went to Ireland (where his mom's ancestors are from), he was codjh9 Nov 2012 #17
Thanks, I was wondering what was meant by it. I forgot about that. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #44
That's suppose to be his Irish name (joked about it on a trip to Ireland). efhmc Nov 2012 #20
Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #43
I'm guessing this: beac Nov 2012 #21
This is great Wraith20878 Nov 2012 #41
Oh I see. thanks southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #42
Cool, thanks, I'd never seen that. Here's a t-shirt like I was talking about (if the long codjh9 Nov 2012 #45
The video's from 2008, but I worked with a kid from Ireland beac Nov 2012 #46
Thanks ReRe Nov 2012 #59
Indeed, indeed! beac Nov 2012 #61
Vice President is Catholic LynneSin Nov 2012 #55
Good show, DI! immoderate Nov 2012 #2
Damn good reply. I don't even get INTO this stuff with my crazy relatives. I mostly only codjh9 Nov 2012 #3
Well said, Drunken Irishman gademocrat7 Nov 2012 #5
I would have added: louis-t Nov 2012 #6
It was very mopey at my office too. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #22
I did have the glorious opportunity Berlin Expat Nov 2012 #60
OMG, you have me in tears! Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #63
Tell him that! Lugia Nov 2012 #35
What a kind and sincere response to your Auntie's comment. Walk away Nov 2012 #8
That was beautiful. dmr Nov 2012 #9
I bookmarked for later printing. GentryDixon Nov 2012 #10
My hubby used to be a chaplains assistant in the army for 21 yrs. He has worked southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #19
You have a kind & loving heart...and you're eloquent to boot! nt duhneece Nov 2012 #11
Very kind, thoughtful reply to your aunt Pool Hall Ace Nov 2012 #12
You showed tact and great restraint. xfundy Nov 2012 #13
Great reply! LeftofObama Nov 2012 #14
I probably would have asked her ... surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #15
This is what I don't get OnionPatch Nov 2012 #50
Thoughtful, wonderful reply. Bookmarked nt Ilsa Nov 2012 #18
Well said. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #23
Excellent response. Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #24
Fantastic Response relayerbob Nov 2012 #25
You did what I refer to as 'lawying down the law'! nt ;) cecilfirefox Nov 2012 #26
Good reply. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #27
I disagree mamayo Nov 2012 #30
I only wish mamayo Nov 2012 #28
Beautifully written. n/t Sophiegirl Nov 2012 #29
I know this will sound JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #31
nail hit squarely on head identify Nov 2012 #32
Wonderful and Well Said Liberalynn Nov 2012 #33
Bravo.both my parents are in their 70's, catholic and have ONLY voted democratic their entire lives. NCLivin Nov 2012 #34
Terrific response Mz Pip Nov 2012 #36
Beautiful NightOwwl Nov 2012 #37
Wow, incredible! Uniblab Nov 2012 #38
Beautiful job. defacto7 Nov 2012 #39
Brilliant DI..Thank you! Cha Nov 2012 #40
beautifully written . K&R outsideworld Nov 2012 #47
Well stated. i'm ascared of checking my email... several "aunt Carolines" in my family. nt DCKit Nov 2012 #48
Good response. Kota Nov 2012 #49
Nicely done, Irishman! Emit Nov 2012 #51
I'd like to buy you a drink Rider3 Nov 2012 #52
I just wish that they would remember or study EC Nov 2012 #53
If you have any more exchanges on this, you might want to remind her that: ieoeja Nov 2012 #54
I hope mgardener Nov 2012 #56
Drunken Irishman! ReRe Nov 2012 #57
Republican policies are anti-Christian nakocal Nov 2012 #58
Sorry, but how DARE she tell YOU what "God's teachings" are? DFW Nov 2012 #62
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