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2016 Postmortem

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DetlefK

(16,670 posts)
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 07:19 AM Aug 2016

Republicans dream of getting concessions from Clinton in return for dumping Trump [View all]

found via dailykos
http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/08/the-case-for-a-negotiated-republican-surrender-to-hillary/

Given that Trump is on track to lose and given that his presidency might very well be worse for the country and conservatism than Hillary’s anyway, why don’t Republican lawmakers band together and see if they can come to some sort of deal with Hillary?

More precisely, top Republican and conservative leaders should band together and offer Hillary a deal to rescind their endorsements of Trump and endorse her in exchange for some policy concessions.

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What would a possible deal look like, you ask?
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This wouldn’t be a bad deal. In fact, it would be a pretty damn good deal given where the Republican Party finds itself.

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The real question isn’t whether such a deal would be good for Republicans given their current circumstances, but why Hillary Clinton would even contemplate such a deal at this point?

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But there are a couple reasons why Clinton might be inclined to come to an agreement. For starters, while Trump looks like he is tanking, you can never be so sure. A deal would make it more likely Hillary wins the White House, something she cares more about than any policy initiative.

Beyond that, a deal could be good for Hillary’s presidential legacy. If she can enlist Republican support in achieving some of her big policy goals before she is even sworn in, why not take it? Even the entitlement reform plank is something deep down she must know is necessary. History would remember her fondly for breaking from party orthodoxy to achieve something important for the country.

No matter who wins in November, conservatives have very little to look forward to politically over the next four years. A deal like this, fanciful as it may appear, would temper the pain.


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1. Clinton negotiating with Republicans for their support would make her seem weak and desperate. And would definitely cost her democratic votes in exchange for MAYBE winning more republican votes.

2. Republicans have shown in their negotiations with Obama that they don't negotiate in good faith.

3. The odds of Clinton winning are at 80+% right now. She's doing fine, thank you.

4. It's a weird assumption to say that Clinton cares more about being in the White House than about getting her policies forward.

5. It's weird how a democratic win means they are expected to govern in a bipartisan manner, but a republican win means they have a mandate for partisan recklessness.

6. It's weird how Democrats are supposedly the ones who are blocking everything with their stubborn adherence to party-orthodoxy.

7. A deal that would give the Republicans a partial victory despite losing the election? Yes, that would temper the pain.

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Hillary doesn't have to give the republicans the time of day liberal N proud Aug 2016 #1
Exactly workinclasszero Aug 2016 #9
The "bargaining phase." sofa king Aug 2016 #2
The "2012 post-mortem" of the RNC was supposed to be "acceptance". DetlefK Aug 2016 #4
I can't write fast enough to keep up! sofa king Aug 2016 #6
Stupid fantasy. Orsino Aug 2016 #3
First Sanders, now the GOP. Shes got no more participation cookies to hand out fellas! bettyellen Aug 2016 #5
Thank You misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #33
The "concessions" to Sanders were within Democratic Party ideals... Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #35
I agree with you but was just pointing out the unprecedented nature of losers demanding concessions. bettyellen Aug 2016 #45
Oh, I know and agree, but the media doesn't help... Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #46
She wouldn't deal with a terrorist get the red out Aug 2016 #7
#5 is exactly how I feel Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2016 #8
My final question is this Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #19
I have no idea where this is coming from Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2016 #25
Concessions? I think the term is "begging" tinrobot Aug 2016 #10
who exactly is begging Hillary to be nice...link please. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #17
Just replying to the OP's use of the word "concessions" tinrobot Aug 2016 #20
Actually, I agree. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #22
"We'll promise to keep losing if you give in to our demands." Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #11
Give them nothing. VulgarPoet Aug 2016 #12
Republicans can't be trusted. PERIOD. GeorgeGist Aug 2016 #13
The side that loses doesn't get to make demands. (We've been through this already.) NurseJackie Aug 2016 #14
Yes we have Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #16
Amen JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #36
Yes, and recently, like in 2008....nt Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #47
If only unicorns were real... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #15
Sounds very unrealistic to me. Our terms are the Senate Hortensis Aug 2016 #18
Why would Clinton want them to dump Trump? LAS14 Aug 2016 #21
It has always been a mistake to trust any republican! fun n serious Aug 2016 #23
Willy Wonka said it best ... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #24
Remember: "Entitlement Reform" is newspeak for BIG CUTS to Social Security and Medicare. LongTomH Aug 2016 #26
#2... GoCubsGo Aug 2016 #27
It will NOT happen, but if it did... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #29
How about kicking them in the balls while they're down for once? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2016 #30
She can win without giving them concessions JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #31
To quote Khan Noonien Singh: Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #32
Chuck Todd peggysue2 Aug 2016 #34
President Obama did much the same and look what it got us SwankyXomb Aug 2016 #37
Yup. Every time Dems extend their hand it gets bit. Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #39
A Supreme Court pick? For-get it. bluestateguy Aug 2016 #38
She should tell them it depends: TXIRISHWOMAN Aug 2016 #40
fuck that shit. mopinko Aug 2016 #41
Ugh. The more I think about this, the angrier I get. We owe them jack shit. Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #42
Nope, but I did see a post on this board that said she needs to "pivot right" Exilednight Aug 2016 #43
Zero F**ks to give are now sold out in both single shipment and auto-delivery. grossproffit Aug 2016 #44
Cllnton needs to take a page from Grant's book: no surrender KingCharlemagne Aug 2016 #48
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