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2016 Postmortem

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:10 PM Sep 2016

If you're thinking of voting third party this fall, please reconsider. [View all]

(This is the speech I'd give if I was asked to make a case to such voters to support OUR ticket).

There are a lot of reasons to be dissatisfied with our current political culture and the dominant parties within it.

Fighting to change that culture and this country is a perfectly valid thing to do.

And you have the right to make whatever choice you want to make at the ballot box.


BUT...

This nation is in crisis and in jeopardy. The most powerless people in our society and the most ambitious dreams of change we aspire to are in mortal danger-are at risk of being destroyed.

Destroyed by a maniac, by a demagogue and a purveyor of hate.

His name is Donald Trump.

If Donald Trump is elected president, all we hold dear as Americans and all we aspire to change as progressives are under existential threat. The poor, working people, people of color, LGBTQ people, those Americans who are most recently arrived and those who were here before any of our ancestors, will be the subject of an unrelenting campaign of hatred, vilification, and violence in a Trump Administration. It may not be possible to organize even an antifascist resistance in that situation.

We're not asking anyone to give up their fully-justified anger at the status quo and the corruption endemic to it, or their dream of something better, or their right to work for a newer vision of life. We're asking simply, for the next two months, for all people of good will, for all those who want this country to belong to all of us rather than the view to make the tactical decision to join us in stopping
the greatest threat to freedom, democracy, and what Bruce Springsteen called "the country in our hearts", by working for and voting for Hillary Clinton for president in November.

When we have stopped Trump and elected her, we can immediately hold her feet to the fire and push for the program of change this country needs, organizing for it throughout the land and uniting all those who want the nation and the world we need in a massive people's campaign for the future.

We ask this out of respect to all of you, out of support for the values we both support, and out of a sincere belief in the better angels of everyone's nature.

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This seems like a overreaction, no offense Charles Bukowski Sep 2016 #1
I hope you are right. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #2
+1 demmiblue Sep 2016 #18
The truth is ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #27
Don't know how it is, Burch, but every time I read one Hortensis Sep 2016 #62
+1! BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #63
Well said. I feel the same way. Condescended to. yardwork Sep 2016 #64
:) SO misguided. We are a magnificently diverse coalition Hortensis Sep 2016 #65
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Ken. NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #3
I don't want to go to that site. And there's nothing that would win over people Ken Burch Sep 2016 #4
And again it comes down to ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #6
Not coddled-and-placated...approached on the level of reason and respect. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
We saw this in 2000 Gothmog Sep 2016 #12
This year is different. This year, we have a much better platform Ken Burch Sep 2016 #20
Those who are planning to vote for a third party candidate or Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #30
By that logic, there's no point in even mentioning them. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #41
Those who are voting third party hate Hillary mostly. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #49
There is no way to reason with some of these folks...and they don't belong here so we can't win Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #14
If you can't reason with them, you can't win them over through abuse, either. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #24
I don't give a damn about them. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #29
I have actually never called out any supporter of a third party candidate although they deserve it. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #31
Win them over? How about they grow up and support the D nominee stopbush Sep 2016 #19
"Why not try it" NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #21
Actually, we've never tried it. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #23
That will never happen and Stein Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #32
Ok. Then point out that Stein said that. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #39
Here you go: Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #58
I meant use it as part of the argument for voting Clinton-Kaine. n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #61
The primaries are over. JTFrog Sep 2016 #34
This has nothing to do with the primaries. The primaries are the past. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #40
Reason and respect? NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #25
!!! zappaman Sep 2016 #26
Agree 100%. Fuck that noise. NT JTFrog Sep 2016 #36
Amen NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #45
Well said. nt JTFrog Sep 2016 #8
Brava! SticksnStones Sep 2016 #9
Wonderful Post as always. nt Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #16
You don't want to go to that site ANY MORE, I think you mean. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #50
They wanted me to join(I knew some of them here), but I never did. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #53
So I'm supposed to take you at your word? Despite the content of your posts? BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #54
Yes, you are supposed to take me at your word. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #55
Sure, you don't HAVE to prove anything. It just leaves the evidence I have that you participated BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #56
I never participated in anything on JPR. I opposed HRC in the primaries, but never hated her. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #60
Another Great Post by Nance Gothmog Sep 2016 #11
I will say Armstead is doing just that at JPR...making the the case why one should vote for Hillary Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #57
And taking a lot of flack for doing so. NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #59
In danger of the Grifter-in-Chief rethug candidate. ffr Sep 2016 #5
A vote for stein or Johnson is a vote for trump Gothmog Sep 2016 #10
If just repeating that phrase worked, the Stein and Johnson numbers would be dropping Ken Burch Sep 2016 #44
People who are supporting third party candidates are Trump supporters Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #13
On this we can agree - K&R CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #15
I would also like to bring up the "hold her feet" comment..." Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #17
Progressives weren't to blame for that at all. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #22
"No one on the left was allowed anywhere near the Oval Office ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #28
It isn't about me. Stop always personalizing and trivializing. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #37
Uh, Ken ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #46
Nancy your posts rock. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #48
The lesson is support your president. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #35
I don't defend not voting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #38
how do you expect anything to get done Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #42
OK, but the responsibility to prevent non-voting goes both ways: Ken Burch Sep 2016 #43
I don't give a damn about blaming. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #47
Those who are thinking of voting third party this fall.... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #33
Your first complete sentence and last complete sentence really does say it all. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #51
Thanks Ken. If for nothing else the Supreme Court will be determined for the next still_one Sep 2016 #52
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