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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
37. It isn't about me. Stop always personalizing and trivializing.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:45 PM
Sep 2016

What I'm saying was that there was a huge group of activists gathered in the Obama movement during the campaign, and then as soon as the votes were in, they were all told they weren't needed and wouldn't be listened to. Nothing else could come of that other than what did.

You can't expect people, especially young people just getting involved in politics, to stay involved and believe it is worth staying involved when the administration they did as much to elect as anyone else to elect tells them "we don't want to see you anymore until the next election-you're not going to be a part of anything between now and then"...which is exactly what Rahm did.

If nothing else, it was stunning ingratitude.

Those activists were a huge resource. They could have been used to put public pressure on wavering right-wing Demse to actually pass Obama's program without insisting on watering it down. Instead, it was those right-wing dems who were, to use your word "coddled", while the people who supported Obama and his program were (there is no other way to interpret this)told to go to hell.

The Obama movement WAS marginalized and ignored after election day, 2008. They were treated as if they were no longer mattered. This was not what they'd been led to expect...during the campaign, they were told they would be given an active role AFTER the election. Rahm decided he would rather see the party lose Congress than let THAT happen.

Can you seriously defend the decision Rahm made to do that?

Can you possibly claim that any good came of it?

It never serves progressive ends to tell people to stop fighting for change.

This seems like a overreaction, no offense Charles Bukowski Sep 2016 #1
I hope you are right. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #2
+1 demmiblue Sep 2016 #18
The truth is ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #27
Don't know how it is, Burch, but every time I read one Hortensis Sep 2016 #62
+1! BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #63
Well said. I feel the same way. Condescended to. yardwork Sep 2016 #64
:) SO misguided. We are a magnificently diverse coalition Hortensis Sep 2016 #65
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Ken. NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #3
I don't want to go to that site. And there's nothing that would win over people Ken Burch Sep 2016 #4
And again it comes down to ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #6
Not coddled-and-placated...approached on the level of reason and respect. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
We saw this in 2000 Gothmog Sep 2016 #12
This year is different. This year, we have a much better platform Ken Burch Sep 2016 #20
Those who are planning to vote for a third party candidate or Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #30
By that logic, there's no point in even mentioning them. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #41
Those who are voting third party hate Hillary mostly. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #49
There is no way to reason with some of these folks...and they don't belong here so we can't win Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #14
If you can't reason with them, you can't win them over through abuse, either. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #24
I don't give a damn about them. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #29
I have actually never called out any supporter of a third party candidate although they deserve it. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #31
Win them over? How about they grow up and support the D nominee stopbush Sep 2016 #19
"Why not try it" NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #21
Actually, we've never tried it. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #23
That will never happen and Stein Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #32
Ok. Then point out that Stein said that. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #39
Here you go: Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #58
I meant use it as part of the argument for voting Clinton-Kaine. n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #61
The primaries are over. JTFrog Sep 2016 #34
This has nothing to do with the primaries. The primaries are the past. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #40
Reason and respect? NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #25
!!! zappaman Sep 2016 #26
Agree 100%. Fuck that noise. NT JTFrog Sep 2016 #36
Amen NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #45
Well said. nt JTFrog Sep 2016 #8
Brava! SticksnStones Sep 2016 #9
Wonderful Post as always. nt Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #16
You don't want to go to that site ANY MORE, I think you mean. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #50
They wanted me to join(I knew some of them here), but I never did. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #53
So I'm supposed to take you at your word? Despite the content of your posts? BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #54
Yes, you are supposed to take me at your word. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #55
Sure, you don't HAVE to prove anything. It just leaves the evidence I have that you participated BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #56
I never participated in anything on JPR. I opposed HRC in the primaries, but never hated her. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #60
Another Great Post by Nance Gothmog Sep 2016 #11
I will say Armstead is doing just that at JPR...making the the case why one should vote for Hillary Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #57
And taking a lot of flack for doing so. NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #59
In danger of the Grifter-in-Chief rethug candidate. ffr Sep 2016 #5
A vote for stein or Johnson is a vote for trump Gothmog Sep 2016 #10
If just repeating that phrase worked, the Stein and Johnson numbers would be dropping Ken Burch Sep 2016 #44
People who are supporting third party candidates are Trump supporters Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #13
On this we can agree - K&R CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #15
I would also like to bring up the "hold her feet" comment..." Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #17
Progressives weren't to blame for that at all. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #22
"No one on the left was allowed anywhere near the Oval Office ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #28
It isn't about me. Stop always personalizing and trivializing. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #37
Uh, Ken ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #46
Nancy your posts rock. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #48
The lesson is support your president. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #35
I don't defend not voting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #38
how do you expect anything to get done Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #42
OK, but the responsibility to prevent non-voting goes both ways: Ken Burch Sep 2016 #43
I don't give a damn about blaming. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #47
Those who are thinking of voting third party this fall.... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #33
Your first complete sentence and last complete sentence really does say it all. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #51
Thanks Ken. If for nothing else the Supreme Court will be determined for the next still_one Sep 2016 #52
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