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33. one presumes then that all Presidents before Lincoln were immoral ? n/t

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Lincoln - what if he had really negotiated with the South ? [View all] LVZ Nov 2012 OP

Speculation is such fun, eh? bemildred Nov 2012 #1

Warrior chickenhawks advocating attacking Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 #30

And exclusive blame belongs to those who started the war to continue slavery. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #34

I understand. Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 #43

It would have been worth the death of every white Southerner. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #47

Actually you're incorrect Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 #50

It would have been worth millions more. Slavery had to die, no matter how many had to die alongside geek tragedy Nov 2012 #55

wow. Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 #57

I Wouldn't Have Lost Any Sleep If Every Japanese Soldier Defending Bataan Was Killed/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #52

How many American boys Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 #59

I'm not anti-war, sometimes war is necessary. bemildred Nov 2012 #53

Please read and give me your thoughts: coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #64

Negotiate? How? Just a little slavery allowed. etc :( patricia92243 Nov 2012 #2

It's Easy When You Aren't A Slave And Your Children Aren't Being Sold Like Dogs From A Litter/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #5

What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly? mysuzuki2 Nov 2012 #3

The Germans And Japanese Were Suing For Peace In 1945 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #4

SCARY BECAUSE IT READS SO TRUE ROBROX Nov 2012 #6

thank you - finally an unbiased consideration of what "might have happened" LVZ Nov 2012 #10

Not everything is up for debate. There are universal norms. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #14

irrelevant - Lincoln did not go to war over slavery, he "chose" to go war to "maintain" the Union LVZ Nov 2012 #18

Most Of The Secessionist Movements DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #19

Who fired on Fort Sumter again? Take your War of Northern Aggression nonsense to a Klan site geek tragedy Nov 2012 #22

You sound very confused about the current state of politics in California: bemildred Nov 2012 #13

GOP might never again hold power in California bemildred Nov 2012 #56

This flies in the face of what makes us American CCJORDAN Nov 2012 #7

I Would Have Hoped I Had The Courage To Lose A Limb Or Even My Life So Others Could Live Free DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #11

The South wasn't interested in sharp_stick Nov 2012 #8

Neo-Confederate Blather. Take A Hike. (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #9

We are not enemies, but friends. NoPasaran Nov 2012 #12

What if Great Britain had negotiated with the Germans? How would that work out? onehandle Nov 2012 #15

Southerners were intractable about wanting to secede csziggy Nov 2012 #16

part of negotiation is giving "rational" people part of what each wants LVZ Nov 2012 #21

Do you consider the blacks in the South at that time to be 'rational people', or 3/5, or not at all? geek tragedy Nov 2012 #23

I do not consider you to be rationale - merely abusive - enough said. n/t LVZ Nov 2012 #26

Yes, your analysis of bargaining with the south that ignored what black people wanted geek tragedy Nov 2012 #31

It's A "Still-Unfinished War"...... Paladin Nov 2012 #29

So better conditions makes slavery OK? hack89 Nov 2012 #32

The North had ALREADY tried to compromise for DECADES csziggy Nov 2012 #58

... we'll fill our vacant ranks with a million freemen more ... and though he may be poor struggle4progress Nov 2012 #17

So we should have continued slavery into the 20th century? Lemme guess, poster is pasty white? nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #20

I Get The Argument That Slavery Would Have Eventually Fallen Of Its Own Weight DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #27

Someone willing to compromise on owning other human beings can't pretend geek tragedy Nov 2012 #28

one presumes then that all Presidents before Lincoln were immoral ? n/t LVZ Nov 2012 #33

I'll Turn That Around DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #37

Yes. This has been another episode of short answers to stupid questions. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #41

Which Is Exactly What Lincoln Did Without Explicitly Saying So DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #35

Lincoln was explicitly anti-slavery, Unlike the OP. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #38

Exactly But To Maintain Support For The War He Had To Be Seen As Anti-Slavery And Anti-Secession DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #42

Note this thread started with a whine about the rights of southern slave owners. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #45

I Kind Of Divined His Rebel Sympathies DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #49

The problem is that the losers knew EXACTLY what they were fighting for. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #51

How can we negotiate slavery or to secede Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #24

The US had tried to to that for decades csziggy Nov 2012 #60

Exactly, can't see how we can negotiate wrongness Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #62

Lincoln didn't choose war. The South did. jeff47 Nov 2012 #25

Exactly, Sir: The South Refused To Accept The Election Results, And Went To War The Magistrate Nov 2012 #36

What a load of hooey FDRLincoln Nov 2012 #39

Even When They Were Suing For Peace In 1865 They Still Wanted To Maintain Slavery/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #44

What if we hadn't fought Hitler? WI_DEM Nov 2012 #40

Another Famous Crypto Confederate, Pat Buchanan, Wrote A Book About It DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #48

Utter tripe. rrneck Nov 2012 #46

If only... FDRLincoln Nov 2012 #54

Do you understand what the principle of representative self-government coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #61

Lincoln made the correct choice. Fighting evil is always necessary. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #63

Rabid anti-intellectual DUers or Freepers - at the moment it looks eerily similar LVZ Nov 2012 #65

Order! Order in the Court! (Locking) ellisonz Nov 2012 #66