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4lbs

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19. These latest polls of likely voters that show "tightening" also have one crucial detail missing.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 01:50 PM
Nov 2016

They poll only likely voters THAT HAVE NOT YET VOTED.

So, the nearly 30 million that have already voted, they aren't counted in these polls.

Thus, with Hillary way ahead in the early vote, the remaining voters are closer and more evenly split.

This is par for the course. Obama had a huge lead in 2008 and 2012 with the early vote. Actual election day results were evenly split, or even had the Republican with a slight advantage.

However, by winning the early vote by such a huge margin, that carried the election in each case, because Obama had a 10 point lead in the early vote in 2008, and a 7 point lead in 2012.

Obama ended up winning 2008 by about 7 points, and 2012 by about 5 points. So, his Republican challengers either matched him on Election Day or even beat him slightly.

It was the EARLY VOTING that made the difference.

These latest polls don't take into account the early voters, because to them there is no point in polling a person who already voted.

Welcome back, grantcart! femmocrat Nov 2016 #1
Grantcart!!!!!! Good to see you! Missed your analysis livetohike Nov 2016 #2
Great analysis! mcar Nov 2016 #3
Nice! Nt NastyWomen Nov 2016 #4
Greetings, grantcart! gademocrat7 Nov 2016 #5
Aloha grant! I did a double take! Cha Nov 2016 #6
Welcome back! William769 Nov 2016 #7
Great news! Cary Nov 2016 #8
Thank you!!! TrekLuver Nov 2016 #9
I do think part of the "tightening" is bogus Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #10
welcome back, amigo! geek tragedy Nov 2016 #12
Good analysis! I just reported actual Nevada EV numbers, Dems are doing pretty well ffr Nov 2016 #13
Thanks for the analysis. But what about the SENATE? Hortensis Nov 2016 #14
Good to see you are back, grantcart! brer cat Nov 2016 #15
Smart bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #16
Welcome back! But between the polls, the World Series and the Election Day this seems like a FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #17
K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #18
These latest polls of likely voters that show "tightening" also have one crucial detail missing. 4lbs Nov 2016 #19
Holy crap, welcome back! tallahasseedem Nov 2016 #20
Great Information! UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #21
Welcome back, sweetie! calimary Nov 2016 #22
Great to see you again, grantcart. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #23
Glad you are back!! Lifelong Protester Nov 2016 #24
A post that reminds me why you're one of my favorites! alcibiades_mystery Nov 2016 #25
Nice job!! JoePhilly Nov 2016 #26
K&R. TexasTowelie Nov 2016 #27
Convincing analysis Generic Other Nov 2016 #28
Being up 23 in California doesn't win us the Electoral College ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2016 #29
The point of the margins was to show that 538 is being inconsistent grantcart Nov 2016 #31
The internals tell the true story ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2016 #32
Campaign internals are much much better than any polling grantcart Nov 2016 #35
Excellent post. Great to see you posting again! SunSeeker Nov 2016 #34
Welcome back! treestar Nov 2016 #36
Glad you are back lillypaddle Nov 2016 #37
Welcome back JustAnotherGen Nov 2016 #38
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