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Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
60. It was Sanders actually. I don't say he wanted this outcome.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 12:38 PM
Nov 2016

During the primary, he bashed Hillary daily and the Democrats as well...Republicans joined in...we had a two fronted primary. Bernie refused to concede in a timely manner. Our convention was divided...and his supporters never came back. Had he never run, we would have won this close election.

Oh my. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #1
I believe every word I typed but Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #34
Perhaps you are right. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #37
I may have been labeled a concern troll. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #59
I got banned in both groups also. hueymahl Nov 2016 #181
I considered it an honor and a bad sign for the election SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #199
I miss results Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #103
Those days are gone forever. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #107
Well, I'm still in shock and don't know what to yet believe. rusty quoin Nov 2016 #2
I think that's what I'm feeling, too: shock. Beartracks Nov 2016 #3
I felt worse 2004. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #8
I still believed she would win, but I am forever traumatized by the 2004 election. Kali Nov 2016 #80
Same here Siwsan Nov 2016 #77
So many Democrats are scared now AFTER the election. Beartracks Nov 2016 #4
I know I wasn't a troll when I voiced concern. Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #26
Nothing but blind boisterous optimism was allowed revbones Nov 2016 #54
Exactly. Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #58
I feel that the barring of dissention is not good for a "Democratic" site... TrekLuver Nov 2016 #64
Sounds like those people squashing disent revbones Nov 2016 #70
I agree with you. alarimer Nov 2016 #154
I don't think we're done with that yet. MelissaB Nov 2016 #74
Exactly. revbones Nov 2016 #78
Yup. MelissaB Nov 2016 #89
Looks that way, unfortunately. n/t reflection Nov 2016 #92
1 . I just checked in for the first time today Arazi Nov 2016 #145
I don't think we're done with that yet. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #90
Yes. How fing hard is it to use two Blackberries exboyfil Nov 2016 #157
Exactly democrattotheend Nov 2016 #140
You are agreeing with a banned troll. JTFrog Nov 2016 #143
Sorry, I didn't realize that democrattotheend Nov 2016 #144
I have been here since shortly after the 2000 election.... vi5 Nov 2016 #178
I'll be honest, I expressed a lot of confidence in my personal life that Clinton would win. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #5
yep, same here Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #32
yep, same here 0rganism Nov 2016 #95
I think anyone who was not concerned after Comey's Friday note to Congress andym Nov 2016 #6
I agree. she may have won. but she was out of touch. as were people around her. Robby Mook? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #65
there is a difference between concern and dragging things down. none of it changes that many of them JI7 Nov 2016 #7
You get to say "I told you so" BainsBane Nov 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #10
What 100 million dollars? BainsBane Nov 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #12
Well said. Esse Quam Videri Nov 2016 #27
Nice. cwydro Nov 2016 #28
Doesn't matter to them. vdogg Nov 2016 #39
Sadly, you're right. cwydro Nov 2016 #45
You do know she got over 4 million lesser votes than Obama did in 2008? Why? B Calm Nov 2016 #121
You shouldn't be concerned about that... Raster Nov 2016 #127
Let's just take a look at the numbers, shall we.... Fla Dem Nov 2016 #139
Hillary Clinton allowed Trump to win the election. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #150
Yep. This cannot be said enough. hueymahl Nov 2016 #182
There are a number of problems with this argument kenfrequed Nov 2016 #152
Well said. Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #21
Thank you, BB brer cat Nov 2016 #38
Good grief. Cary Nov 2016 #23
Hillary net worth is 30 million.. where do you get your number from? secondwind Nov 2016 #31
This!!! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #17
OP is saying the truth. and it's more than "I told you so". Its let's not this happen again. zonkers Nov 2016 #67
I'm not saying I told you so. Beartracks Nov 2016 #93
Yes! This! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #172
You are absolutely right bains, and I made that point several times. The last two weeks still_one Nov 2016 #177
They weren't right to think that Bernie would have done any better. pnwmom Nov 2016 #13
Expressing legitimate concern is not concern trolling. Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #16
If your friends were paying attention , I don't know why pnwmom Nov 2016 #110
Anyone who hangs out in this little echo chamber Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #115
I'm sure there was a lot of what you describe at the BOE. pnwmom Nov 2016 #117
You have no way of knowing where the ripples go to. Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #118
You don't think the GOTV people were working hard? I sure heard from a lot of them, pnwmom Nov 2016 #119
The question isn't whether the GOTV people on the ground were working hard, Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #192
I agree with the points you made, Ms. Toad True Dough Nov 2016 #168
They were expressed by many, Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #191
And when I say that it's too bad they come after the fact... True Dough Nov 2016 #196
there was one election day poll that said Sanders would have beat Don 55-44 SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #69
Yeah, there was, based on opinions developed after NOT seeing Bernie the subject pnwmom Nov 2016 #158
No argument here. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #162
Exit polls poll the people who voted shawn703 Nov 2016 #155
Yeah, not being allowed to even mention the possibility pre-election, got pretty silly. nt prayin4rain Nov 2016 #14
Dues paid member of the ACT here. NT pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #15
You had no data to back up your concern with. There was tons of data supporting a Clinton win. randome Nov 2016 #18
The polls were rosy, and I was not posting concerns. Beartracks Nov 2016 #87
If only we had listened to the concern trolls... Xipe Totec Nov 2016 #19
Maybe we all would have done a little bit more democrattotheend Nov 2016 #141
The concern trolls almost never are, and are usually sent here from other sites to demoralize Democr vdogg Nov 2016 #20
Sowing discord and discontent works wonders. Cary Nov 2016 #25
So let the celebrations being! eh? --- You guys are something else. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #22
Weak links. Cary Nov 2016 #24
I am concerned about this concern over the veracity of the average concern troll. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #52
Ha! You always crack me up! Thanks for the chuckle! NurseJackie Nov 2016 #98
Heh. Not happy at all. Beartracks Nov 2016 #88
There is a difference between trolling and genuine concern. ehrnst Nov 2016 #29
unfortunately the persons that dismissed any criticism, question, discussion or inquiry... Raster Nov 2016 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #30
As a former concern troll, I don't think we should waste our time and energy gloating. Vinca Nov 2016 #33
I don't see it as gloating democrattotheend Nov 2016 #142
Yeah, I'll admit it: Paladin Nov 2016 #35
I think a lesson should be learned here...just because someone posts something that is TrekLuver Nov 2016 #36
Bravo!! Kilgore Nov 2016 #40
Echo chambers don't solve anything LeftInTX Nov 2016 #120
and they're learning the wrong lessons from this already. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #41
We were right to be concerned about Bernie and his BoBers. JTFrog Nov 2016 #42
In that respect, Sanders was no better than Susan Sarandon. randome Nov 2016 #44
it's the candidate job to inspire the electorate and get the votes! Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #46
She got the votes. JTFrog Nov 2016 #47
Some are going to remain in denial revbones Nov 2016 #55
no doubt about it. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #61
What you see in that regard is people unable to admit they were wrong in their assumptions/vitriol revbones Nov 2016 #63
Unreal isn't it? MelissaB Nov 2016 #71
It Could Be RobinA Nov 2016 #170
Bernie handed Trump his attacks. Those were not Trump's original ideas. R B Garr Nov 2016 #79
maybe we shouldn't back such baggage filled flawed establishment candidate next time Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #84
This is the same empty rhetoric used against Al Gore. He wasn't pure R B Garr Nov 2016 #85
Yes To This RobinA Nov 2016 #173
Wow the Hillary Supporters were right. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #43
Gee, who would have predicted that nothing good would come from sowing discord and discontent? Cary Nov 2016 #48
I said it too...and was away for a while as a result. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #51
I'm there with you. Quayblue Nov 2016 #106
It was our downfall and what do those who cost us the election say now Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #133
But in the end, it wasn't Sanders. duffyduff Nov 2016 #50
Ok Cary Nov 2016 #53
It was Sanders actually. I don't say he wanted this outcome. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #60
He participated in a primary. reflection Nov 2016 #68
There was a lot more to it then that Cary Nov 2016 #73
Like what? reflection Nov 2016 #75
Ugh, the fallacy of the golden mean Cary Nov 2016 #82
My god, it had to be simplistic. And most truth is between two viewpoints. reflection Nov 2016 #86
There's never anything simple about human nature Cary Nov 2016 #91
This was a bad year with the courts at stake and a good chance to retake the Senate Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #81
He accused her of corruption many times. That is bashing. pnwmom Nov 2016 #112
Bernie should never have run. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #136
Oh for God's sake. reflection Nov 2016 #137
I can't refute that. Cary Nov 2016 #72
F&%ing bernie...hey at least he met the Pope! nt jmg257 Nov 2016 #94
It was Sanders. He drove her negatives down with constant attacks and his supporters never Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #83
The Voters Own RobinA Nov 2016 #174
Sorry...Berned railed against Hillary on trade and refused to concede in a timely fashion. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #190
I wasn't a "concern troll," so I wasn't "right." Beartracks Nov 2016 #96
Good to know. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #135
And he pre-tested the themes DT would use in the general: pnwmom Nov 2016 #111
Yes he did...and we lost the courts. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #132
It. Wasn't. Bernie. And anyone that can't honestly look at Clinton as a candidate... Raster Nov 2016 #130
It was Bernie. We would have won. And now the progressive revoution is probably dead. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #131
Stop blaming Bernie for the Clinton campaign ignoring white working class voters. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #188
Well put hueymahl Nov 2016 #183
And the Sanders supporters were right, he'd get blamed in the end... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #189
Nope. It is because these people have NO clue what went down in this election. duffyduff Nov 2016 #49
No they weren't. Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #56
Everyone was confident Hillary would win budkin Nov 2016 #57
there were a few people who called it right. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #62
The fact that some were "proven right" on a boolean proposition doesn't mean much. stevenleser Nov 2016 #102
Few knew that Comey was going to put his fist on the scale 11 days before the election, pnwmom Nov 2016 #113
Careful, your thread will get alerted for stating the truth. zonkers Nov 2016 #66
It already did Renew Deal Nov 2016 #76
Alert is often the last refuge of sheep who have run out of words. zonkers Nov 2016 #97
Which ones? The ones who voted for Stein or the ones who voted for Trump? TwilightZone Nov 2016 #99
The ones who voted for Clinton. Beartracks Nov 2016 #100
I was one of those, I got called a right wing troll and worse. redstatebluegirl Nov 2016 #101
A stopped clock is right twice a day. Concern trolls are .... trolls Lil Missy Nov 2016 #104
Concern trolls are concern trolls. Beartracks Nov 2016 #109
Do you like Roosevelt? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #134
Don't thank me; I wasn't concerned. Beartracks Nov 2016 #138
I think Clinton did run a good campaign. raging moderate Nov 2016 #105
I do too. Despite everything arrayed against her... Beartracks Nov 2016 #122
Not playing in Wisconsin or Michigan until the end was a tactical error RonniePudding Nov 2016 #151
This announcement MFM008 Nov 2016 #108
I had a nagging feeling, but didn't express it on DU LeftInTX Nov 2016 #114
Your concern is duly noted. I'm confident we will impeach and remove Trump by Christmas Bucky Nov 2016 #116
Sounds like a new national holiday to me! Beartracks Nov 2016 #123
* In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #124
You're less than three to me, Windy Bucky Nov 2016 #125
I think we misjudged the extreme hate toward Turbineguy Nov 2016 #126
Wasn't about that marlakay Nov 2016 #165
yep heaven05 Nov 2016 #129
I am devastated right now. We are winnng the popular vote by nearly 2 million! mvd Nov 2016 #146
Thx, I agree with your spot-on post. Beartracks Nov 2016 #147
The objective of the concern trolls was to supress the Clinton vote & drive up support for Trump. baldguy Nov 2016 #148
Not all concerned were trolls. Beartracks Nov 2016 #167
The ones wishing to destroy the Democratic Party in order to "save" it are just as bad. baldguy Nov 2016 #169
Unfortunately, yes. The Democratic party had a wider problem than just DU, though. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #149
Yes, as it turns we were all whistling past the graveyard a little bit. alarimer Nov 2016 #153
No they weren't treestar Nov 2016 #156
Not all concerned were trolls. Beartracks Nov 2016 #166
If they had been concerned about the vote in the swing states treestar Nov 2016 #171
Everybody should have been concerned instead of claiming that election was in the bag. LisaL Nov 2016 #179
We didn't expect all the polls to be total shit! (Nate Silver's lost all credibility)... dubyadiprecession Nov 2016 #159
Nate Silver doesn't personally conduct polls. LisaL Nov 2016 #164
Nate Silver doesn't conduct any polls. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #160
First of all I am happy DU is back. To be stuck in Ohio doc03 Nov 2016 #161
I had concerns as well. LisaL Nov 2016 #163
In all fairness Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #175
The polls were no worse off than in 2012... Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #176
Well, exactly. There was a whole bunch of polls that were very close. LisaL Nov 2016 #180
Pretty much. :/ Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #184
I was trying to point out that polls don't win elections, and that polls are close. But it fell on LisaL Nov 2016 #185
And I was just pointing out that you were right? Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #186
I was agreeing with you also. LisaL Nov 2016 #187
I think the campaign knew things weren't looking so good doc03 Nov 2016 #193
We got played. Comey's letters had perfect timing. LisaL Nov 2016 #195
Absolutely. Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #198
I agree with that. It's clear their internals saw a shift in PA and MI. Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #197
Election Day employs "polling places"... Beartracks Nov 2016 #194
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