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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]portlander23
(2,078 posts)16. Clinton lost because of who stayed home
The Numbers: How Hillary Clinton Lost
Kevin Drum
Mother Jones
Clinton lost because she couldn't get her own side to vote for her. Sure, she got more votes than Donald Trump which has to take the cake as "the lowest bar anyone could ever set", but winning more votes in the count that doesn't make you president is a shitty prize.
Republicans control the entire federal government because Clinton couldn't convince Obama voters to vote for her, not because of a surge of support for Donald Trump, and not because of white racist assholes.
Kevin Drum
Mother Jones
Once all the votes are counted, it looks like Hillary Clinton will underperform Barack Obama by about 4 percentage points in the national vote. Was this an across-the-board loss, or was it concentrated among certain groups?
The quickest way to get a sense of what happened is to compare the exit polls from 2012 and 2016. What we're looking for is demographic groups that differ from -4% by a significant margin. As it turns out, there aren't very many. Clinton underperformed Obama across the board. She did somewhat better than -4% with seniors, college grads, married voters, and high-income voters. She did worse with low-income voters, union households, and unmarried voters.
This was not a "white revolt." White men followed the national trend (-4% compared to 2012) and white women did better for Clinton (+1%). Black men and Latino women underperformed for Clinton by significant margins.
Clinton lost because she couldn't get her own side to vote for her. Sure, she got more votes than Donald Trump which has to take the cake as "the lowest bar anyone could ever set", but winning more votes in the count that doesn't make you president is a shitty prize.
Republicans control the entire federal government because Clinton couldn't convince Obama voters to vote for her, not because of a surge of support for Donald Trump, and not because of white racist assholes.
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I didn't want to vote for her at all. I felt it more important to repudiated Trump
TheKentuckian
Nov 2016
#95
Al the condescending "dank memes" from college kids woulda slayed them in the rust belt!
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#18
Gawd, I sure don't miss this myopic, simpleton approach full of innuendo and attacks
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#37
I know people who did vote for her- but had already trashed her w RW smears for months
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#26
Old numbers- the demographics we're not even in yet. Biased speculation at best...
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#19
Deflection and memes. Not a single honest reply to my questions but instead a dumb RW meme.
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#43
Too well stated to get many dissenting replies I wager. People will just start a 10th thread to
JCanete
Nov 2016
#13
I would trade for where we were in 1988 from where we are today in a second (and I was there).
Midwestern Democrat
Nov 2016
#73
Yes, we did. I think we can get the pendulum swinging back but I do think we need to
Midwestern Democrat
Nov 2016
#77
Apparently at least until we lose the popular vote by at least 10 points and
TheKentuckian
Nov 2016
#96
Bernie best learn to say what he means, he's not always gonna have you around to explain it.
emulatorloo
Nov 2016
#63
what should be abandoned is the TERM "identity politics" -- it's a put-down of solidarity
cloudythescribbler
Nov 2016
#69
That is a good point. I don't think that term was coined by an anti-oppression activist.
Ken Burch
Nov 2016
#76
Before Bernie got in, nobody, to my recollection, was claiming there was a huge chasm
Ken Burch
Nov 2016
#79