2016 Postmortem

portlander23

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35. Thank you

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 05:10 PM

Nov 2016

This is exactly the map you need to show. This is the result of following 30 years of neoliberalism. The Sanders/Warren/Progressives have not been at the wheel- this is not the result of a progressive campaign.

Clinton lost, and if we're lucky the third way has gone with her.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] DemocraticWing Nov 2016 OP

Exactly - like we can't have an economic message AND fight racism?? realmirage Nov 2016 #1

A lot of people portlander23 Nov 2016 #2

Corrupt Trump was better. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #3

Donald Trump is full of shit portlander23 Nov 2016 #4

Everyone knows... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #6

I blame the candidate portlander23 Nov 2016 #9

Under that standard, if applied equally... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #10

The guy who told you that people were hurting economically? portlander23 Nov 2016 #11

Excuse me? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #12

People across all demographics didn't come out for Clinton portlander23 Nov 2016 #15

You Do Know Of Course Me. Nov 2016 #42

She can be the president of California and New York portlander23 Nov 2016 #44

So Now Youre Going To Disqualify Majorities Me. Nov 2016 #46

I'm all for electoral reform portlander23 Nov 2016 #47

"GeT Involved" Me. Nov 2016 #64

Not enough people came out for her. Exilednight Nov 2016 #54

Aah, So It Would Seem Me. Nov 2016 #65

I wouldn't believe everyting you read here on DU. Exilednight Nov 2016 #68

Which Is Exactly The Reason Me. Nov 2016 #72

That knife cuts both ways. Exilednight Nov 2016 #97

1 Kathy M Nov 2016 #91

I didn't want to vote for her at all. I felt it more important to repudiated Trump TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #95

Al the condescending "dank memes" from college kids woulda slayed them in the rust belt! bettyellen Nov 2016 #18

What good does it do now portlander23 Nov 2016 #20

Gawd, I sure don't miss this myopic, simpleton approach full of innuendo and attacks R B Garr Nov 2016 #37

Disagree ..... I live in one of those rust belt states and it is not Michigan Kathy M Nov 2016 #92

Not To Mention All The Other Oppo Me. Nov 2016 #98

You know who didn't turnout for Hillary and made all the difference? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #22

I know people who did vote for her- but had already trashed her w RW smears for months bettyellen Nov 2016 #26

Bernie must have had a really wide base if that's the case portlander23 Nov 2016 #27

Uhm perhaps wait until all the votes come up. JHan Nov 2016 #28

Exit polls aren't going to change portlander23 Nov 2016 #32

Can you explain about Clinton being the one to get the economy right? pangaia Nov 2016 #34

Hey pangaia.. JHan Nov 2016 #38

Thanks.. TOO many threads on everything to follow.... pangaia Nov 2016 #39

You have any real numbers for that? Or are you just pondering? Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #66

It's all there if you look. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #71

So you have nothing other than your pondering. Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #85

"I'm a Sanders fan and I voted for Clinton." yallerdawg Nov 2016 #86

You don't understand it? Don't be so coy. Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #90

Look. It should go both ways. He just didn't do a good enough job convincing them. kcr Nov 2016 #52

Bernie Sanders didn't win the Primary portlander23 Nov 2016 #55

Righto. He didn't win. That would be my point. kcr Nov 2016 #60

And thus it became opposite day portlander23 Nov 2016 #61

Okay. kcr Nov 2016 #62

1 Kathy M Nov 2016 #93

That was exactly my sentiment after the primaries lapucelle Nov 2016 #14

Clinton lost because of who stayed home portlander23 Nov 2016 #16

Old numbers- the demographics we're not even in yet. Biased speculation at best... bettyellen Nov 2016 #19

Which exit polls are you waiting for? portlander23 Nov 2016 #21

The numbers today are not the same as that article says. bettyellen Nov 2016 #24

The vote counts will change portlander23 Nov 2016 #25

I live in a blue state and traveled on weekends to work in a swing state lapucelle Nov 2016 #30

Failure is the best teacher portlander23 Nov 2016 #33

Oh it will be. boston bean Nov 2016 #87

This is the heart of it from my perspective: TCJ70 Nov 2016 #5

It's not about white guys portlander23 Nov 2016 #7

We are agreed... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #8

Yes, it is. People are naive as heck about reaching these people. duffyduff Nov 2016 #75

You don't have to care about white trump voters portlander23 Nov 2016 #84

Bernie made the calculation that they could not... ask him why. bettyellen Nov 2016 #23

Bernie Sanders, and progressives, are not the person sitting in the chair portlander23 Nov 2016 #41

Deflection and memes. Not a single honest reply to my questions but instead a dumb RW meme. bettyellen Nov 2016 #43

I have replied portlander23 Nov 2016 #45

No one was ignored by Bernies platform... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #48

There was zero mention on his website (and speeches) on women's issues bettyellen Nov 2016 #50

Too well stated to get many dissenting replies I wager. People will just start a 10th thread to JCanete Nov 2016 #13

Well said realmirage Nov 2016 #17

Socialism? Here? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #29

Thank you portlander23 Nov 2016 #35

This is where we were when Bill Clinton showed up. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #36

Please more maps portlander23 Nov 2016 #40

Your argument seems to be we weren't out of touch enough. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #51

So here it is portlander23 Nov 2016 #53

Yes, here it is. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #56

People are going to be engaged portlander23 Nov 2016 #57

In other words, you agree. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #59

I would trade for where we were in 1988 from where we are today in a second (and I was there). Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #73

We did pretty good back in 2008. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #74

Yes, we did. I think we can get the pendulum swinging back but I do think we need to Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #77

I never heard of Bill Clinton or Obama until they announced. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #78

Your map proves nothing, OTHER than the fact that we are in bad shape. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #80

If we had only run the self-described socialist. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #81

It suggests we needed something better. They have nothing to do with Bernie. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #82

Truth! How many more times do we have to lose. onecaliberal Nov 2016 #31

Apparently at least until we lose the popular vote by at least 10 points and TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #96

Thank you. Kick and rec Arazi Nov 2016 #49

Sanders officially left the Democratic party the week after the convention. lapucelle Nov 2016 #58

You going to say that when he caucuses with Dems in the Senate? Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #67

Of course I will still say that. lapucelle Nov 2016 #70

Sure. Except when he rallied for Hillary in Colorado. progressoid Nov 2016 #83

I disagree. lapucelle Nov 2016 #88

Bernie best learn to say what he means, he's not always gonna have you around to explain it. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #63

what should be abandoned is the TERM "identity politics" -- it's a put-down of solidarity cloudythescribbler Nov 2016 #69

That is a good point. I don't think that term was coined by an anti-oppression activist. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #76

Before Bernie got in, nobody, to my recollection, was claiming there was a huge chasm Ken Burch Nov 2016 #79

So long as they can spin things that way, they will. nt VulgarPoet Nov 2016 #89

Thank You for your post ...... Kathy M Nov 2016 #94