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2016 Postmortem

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Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:54 AM Nov 2016

So I guess Clinton and the DNC contributed nothing to this loss. [View all]

Root causes:

1) They cheated
2) They're racists
3) The electoral college sucks

So much for a postmortem with honest introspection.

I wish us luck in 2020 and beyond.

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Who did you vote for? DURHAM D Nov 2016 #1
Clinton B2G Nov 2016 #2
Boom Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #80
Don't worry. Jill Stein will find the tens of thousands of votes necessary EL34x4 Nov 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #53
That covers the causes we can politely discuss. ucrdem Nov 2016 #4
Then what's even the point of this forum? B2G Nov 2016 #6
What are the mistakes? LisaL Nov 2016 #7
Well some won't like them at all B2G Nov 2016 #10
That sums it up nicely whitefordmd Nov 2016 #22
"Complete bias by the DNC in the primaries, which alienated huge numbers of Sanders supporters." mia Nov 2016 #26
We should start by renaming it the "Whatever National Committee." yallerdawg Nov 2016 #35
The DNC will support lifelong repigs who fought the Democratic Party tooth and nail up until.. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #55
He just won't ever be... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #69
So he's not perfect with a D after his name. But he he is all about progress. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #74
So very true funny how they accept him when Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #83
Very true Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #82
Yep, I heard that one all the way. I think Bernie was screwed by the DNC RKP5637 Nov 2016 #101
And many here are shocked Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #102
I hope the DNC gained some insight, maybe, but I doubt it. And now we are stuck with this RKP5637 Nov 2016 #106
Except the polls weren't wrong mythology Nov 2016 #52
What did the polls show in the swing states? B2G Nov 2016 #54
Good answers here... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #71
I would also add that for all the talk of race LittleBlue Nov 2016 #75
Sadly, I think you are right Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #84
"The black vote was down 11% from 2012." SMC22307 Nov 2016 #88
I was talking to a black lady who treestar Nov 2016 #115
No echo chamber here treestar Nov 2016 #114
The whole basket of deplorables thing didn't help at all. nt B2G Nov 2016 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #81
The mistakes are numerous. Exilednight Nov 2016 #109
There were many reasons this happened. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #5
The way appointments are going, Comey's replacement would moonscape Nov 2016 #39
It seems SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8
What is the deep dive? LisaL Nov 2016 #9
Nothing is stopping people from posting mistakes SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #11
Exactly B2G Nov 2016 #13
Trump set a trap claiming election is rigged against him. LisaL Nov 2016 #15
You obviously didn't get the memo SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #16
Trump did manage to win an election regardless of almost everybody claiming he was going to lose. LisaL Nov 2016 #18
There was so much hacking going on, that the "stolen" idea doesn't seem so far fetched that it's LisaL Nov 2016 #14
Hacking emails SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #17
Different isn't the same as impossible, is it? LisaL Nov 2016 #19
Nope not impossible SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #21
What evidence would be there and who would be able to uncover such evidence? LisaL Nov 2016 #25
To me personally SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #41
It is the Russia narrative that is stupid kenfrequed Nov 2016 #73
You are absolutely correct, but you are talking to someone who is going from thread to thread Squinch Nov 2016 #27
Thank you. Seems very invested indeed. JTFrog Nov 2016 #33
Podesta's gmail password Nevernose Nov 2016 #42
Not sure if what I read a couple of weeks ago is true or not SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #65
Link to the phishing email story SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #67
So who is arguing that? JHan Nov 2016 #12
An excellent post ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #20
Correct.. JHan Nov 2016 #23
#2 is especially critical, IMO SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #24
Yup. JHan Nov 2016 #43
The DNC rigged the primary against other Democrats too. O'Malley called out the short debate think Nov 2016 #36
yeah right.. JHan Nov 2016 #46
The DNC made a new rule banning non DNC debates. Eichenwlad selectively chooses to omit think Nov 2016 #51
You Know What Else Is Shitty? otohara Nov 2016 #85
That comment was made in response to Obama's openness to cutting social security & other think Nov 2016 #86
Those pesky facts Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #103
Who cheated whom? JHan Nov 2016 #112
First of all, that was in repsonse to Obama discussing cuts to Social Security. white_wolf Nov 2016 #96
"for a year weekly on the airwaves" ?? Well, THAT never happened. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #97
It's Why I Stopped Listening otohara Nov 2016 #118
Why don't you post the whole story? Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #105
This is an excellent post. musicblind Nov 2016 #98
None of this makes any sense. quaker bill Nov 2016 #99
I posted about Corporate owned people leading the minority in congress is more of the same things onecaliberal Nov 2016 #28
There is truth in all three of your listed causes, and there is nothing wrong with saying that. Squinch Nov 2016 #29
Wouldn't HRC have won if: katsy Nov 2016 #30
On another thread, I've come to the conclusion that we need younger candidates. randome Nov 2016 #31
People here seem to think "fair" & "unfair" Nevernose Nov 2016 #50
Good point. Progressives tend to see things accurately but that doesn't count in politics, either. randome Nov 2016 #70
Kurt Eichenwald sums it up very nicely lapucelle Nov 2016 #32
Bingo! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #40
The fact that Hillary faced all those obstacles and still won the popular vote lapucelle Nov 2016 #48
Eichenwald completely white washes the debate schedule manipulation think Nov 2016 #49
that argument is bullshit-- there were plenty of debates at the end Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #58
"At the end" Are you even reading your own words? think Nov 2016 #62
They don't want facts to get in the way of their narrative NT LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #64
uh... kenfrequed Nov 2016 #72
"Sanders was unable to deliver his coalition, new young voters bought the right wing anti-Clinton" NWCorona Nov 2016 #87
I'm sorry our lack of a circular firing squad offends you. dawg Nov 2016 #34
The MSM is teaching our politicians... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #38
This exactly, but I'd like to add one more thing: yes, the news media didn't cover it. But Squinch Nov 2016 #45
Thank you for posting that. athena Nov 2016 #95
Absolutely treestar Nov 2016 #113
Then please, tell us why the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, the House, the vast Trust Buster Nov 2016 #37
11 days before the election Comey interfered with the election by sending a false flag still_one Nov 2016 #44
Strawman argument Lil Missy Nov 2016 #47
We did win treestar Nov 2016 #56
Cold comfort, isn't it? B2G Nov 2016 #57
No we didn't. Blame the EC all you want, but we all knew that 270 was the real number to win. Exilednight Nov 2016 #111
Your whole premise is centered around a completely incorrect assumption based statement. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #59
what is it about wikileaks and Russian hacking do you not get??? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #60
If democratic leadership continues to delude themselves, they will continue to lose. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #61
The fault, dear Brutus, HassleCat Nov 2016 #63
WHY SUCH POLARIZED either/or thinking? Come on man - at the risk of making your head Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2016 #66
I didn't feel the need to start an OP on cheating, the FBI, etc. because B2G Nov 2016 #68
You didn't say we BainsBane Nov 2016 #91
The Hubris Of The Clinton Ground Game 'helped' mightily. elleng Nov 2016 #76
I'm from a blue state, so I traveled every weekend to a swing state lapucelle Nov 2016 #77
Thanks for your work. He surely wasn't belittling YOUR work, but rather elleng Nov 2016 #78
The most heart-breaking thing I learned lapucelle Nov 2016 #104
Thank you BainsBane Nov 2016 #93
Another article said her ground game turned out Trump voters BainsBane Nov 2016 #90
The problem lies in many places. elleng Nov 2016 #94
Yep Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #79
Indeed...it's tiresome. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #100
Clinton won't be running in 2020 BainsBane Nov 2016 #89
I'm a bit torn NWCorona Nov 2016 #92
HIllary Clinton won the popular vote by over 2 million (and counting). What exactly KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #107
You forgot "it's Bernie and/or Jill Steins fault"!11!! Arazi Nov 2016 #108
Jill Stein caused Hillary Clinton to lose...n/t asuhornets Nov 2016 #110
Disagree: rust belt ignored; voter suppression; Mook wrong George Eliot Nov 2016 #116
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