2016 Postmortem

B2G

(9,766 posts) Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:54 AM Nov 2016

So I guess Clinton and the DNC contributed nothing to this loss. [View all]

Root causes:

1) They cheated
2) They're racists
3) The electoral college sucks

So much for a postmortem with honest introspection.

I wish us luck in 2020 and beyond.

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So I guess Clinton and the DNC contributed nothing to this loss. [View all] B2G Nov 2016 OP

Who did you vote for? DURHAM D Nov 2016 #1

Clinton B2G Nov 2016 #2

Boom Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #80

Don't worry. Jill Stein will find the tens of thousands of votes necessary EL34x4 Nov 2016 #3

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #53

That covers the causes we can politely discuss. ucrdem Nov 2016 #4

Then what's even the point of this forum? B2G Nov 2016 #6

What are the mistakes? LisaL Nov 2016 #7

Well some won't like them at all B2G Nov 2016 #10

That sums it up nicely whitefordmd Nov 2016 #22

"Complete bias by the DNC in the primaries, which alienated huge numbers of Sanders supporters." mia Nov 2016 #26

We should start by renaming it the "Whatever National Committee." yallerdawg Nov 2016 #35

The DNC will support lifelong repigs who fought the Democratic Party tooth and nail up until.. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #55

He just won't ever be... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #69

So he's not perfect with a D after his name. But he he is all about progress. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #74

So very true funny how they accept him when Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #83

Very true Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #82

Yep, I heard that one all the way. I think Bernie was screwed by the DNC RKP5637 Nov 2016 #101

And many here are shocked Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #102

I hope the DNC gained some insight, maybe, but I doubt it. And now we are stuck with this RKP5637 Nov 2016 #106

Except the polls weren't wrong mythology Nov 2016 #52

What did the polls show in the swing states? B2G Nov 2016 #54

Good answers here... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #71

I would also add that for all the talk of race LittleBlue Nov 2016 #75

Sadly, I think you are right Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #84

"The black vote was down 11% from 2012." SMC22307 Nov 2016 #88

I was talking to a black lady who treestar Nov 2016 #115

No echo chamber here treestar Nov 2016 #114

The whole basket of deplorables thing didn't help at all. nt B2G Nov 2016 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #81

The mistakes are numerous. Exilednight Nov 2016 #109

There were many reasons this happened. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #5

The way appointments are going, Comey's replacement would moonscape Nov 2016 #39

It seems SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8

What is the deep dive? LisaL Nov 2016 #9

Nothing is stopping people from posting mistakes SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #11

Exactly B2G Nov 2016 #13

Trump set a trap claiming election is rigged against him. LisaL Nov 2016 #15

You obviously didn't get the memo SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #16

Trump did manage to win an election regardless of almost everybody claiming he was going to lose. LisaL Nov 2016 #18

There was so much hacking going on, that the "stolen" idea doesn't seem so far fetched that it's LisaL Nov 2016 #14

Hacking emails SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #17

Different isn't the same as impossible, is it? LisaL Nov 2016 #19

Nope not impossible SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #21

What evidence would be there and who would be able to uncover such evidence? LisaL Nov 2016 #25

To me personally SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #41

It is the Russia narrative that is stupid kenfrequed Nov 2016 #73

You are absolutely correct, but you are talking to someone who is going from thread to thread Squinch Nov 2016 #27

Thank you. Seems very invested indeed. JTFrog Nov 2016 #33

Podesta's gmail password Nevernose Nov 2016 #42

Not sure if what I read a couple of weeks ago is true or not SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #65

Link to the phishing email story SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #67

So who is arguing that? JHan Nov 2016 #12

An excellent post ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #20

Correct.. JHan Nov 2016 #23

#2 is especially critical, IMO SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #24

Yup. JHan Nov 2016 #43

The DNC rigged the primary against other Democrats too. O'Malley called out the short debate think Nov 2016 #36

yeah right.. JHan Nov 2016 #46

The DNC made a new rule banning non DNC debates. Eichenwlad selectively chooses to omit think Nov 2016 #51

You Know What Else Is Shitty? otohara Nov 2016 #85

That comment was made in response to Obama's openness to cutting social security & other think Nov 2016 #86

Those pesky facts Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #103

Who cheated whom? JHan Nov 2016 #112

First of all, that was in repsonse to Obama discussing cuts to Social Security. white_wolf Nov 2016 #96

"for a year weekly on the airwaves" ?? Well, THAT never happened. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #97

It's Why I Stopped Listening otohara Nov 2016 #118

Why don't you post the whole story? Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #105

This is an excellent post. musicblind Nov 2016 #98

None of this makes any sense. quaker bill Nov 2016 #99

I posted about Corporate owned people leading the minority in congress is more of the same things onecaliberal Nov 2016 #28

There is truth in all three of your listed causes, and there is nothing wrong with saying that. Squinch Nov 2016 #29

Wouldn't HRC have won if: katsy Nov 2016 #30

On another thread, I've come to the conclusion that we need younger candidates. randome Nov 2016 #31

People here seem to think "fair" & "unfair" Nevernose Nov 2016 #50

Good point. Progressives tend to see things accurately but that doesn't count in politics, either. randome Nov 2016 #70

Kurt Eichenwald sums it up very nicely lapucelle Nov 2016 #32

Bingo! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #40

The fact that Hillary faced all those obstacles and still won the popular vote lapucelle Nov 2016 #48

Eichenwald completely white washes the debate schedule manipulation think Nov 2016 #49

that argument is bullshit-- there were plenty of debates at the end Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #58

"At the end" Are you even reading your own words? think Nov 2016 #62

They don't want facts to get in the way of their narrative NT LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #64

uh... kenfrequed Nov 2016 #72

"Sanders was unable to deliver his coalition, new young voters bought the right wing anti-Clinton" NWCorona Nov 2016 #87

I'm sorry our lack of a circular firing squad offends you. dawg Nov 2016 #34

The MSM is teaching our politicians... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #38

This exactly, but I'd like to add one more thing: yes, the news media didn't cover it. But Squinch Nov 2016 #45

Thank you for posting that. athena Nov 2016 #95

Absolutely treestar Nov 2016 #113

Then please, tell us why the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, the House, the vast Trust Buster Nov 2016 #37

11 days before the election Comey interfered with the election by sending a false flag still_one Nov 2016 #44

Strawman argument Lil Missy Nov 2016 #47

We did win treestar Nov 2016 #56

Cold comfort, isn't it? B2G Nov 2016 #57

No we didn't. Blame the EC all you want, but we all knew that 270 was the real number to win. Exilednight Nov 2016 #111

Your whole premise is centered around a completely incorrect assumption based statement. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #59

what is it about wikileaks and Russian hacking do you not get??? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #60

If democratic leadership continues to delude themselves, they will continue to lose. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #61

The fault, dear Brutus, HassleCat Nov 2016 #63

WHY SUCH POLARIZED either/or thinking? Come on man - at the risk of making your head Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2016 #66

I didn't feel the need to start an OP on cheating, the FBI, etc. because B2G Nov 2016 #68

You didn't say we BainsBane Nov 2016 #91

The Hubris Of The Clinton Ground Game 'helped' mightily. elleng Nov 2016 #76

I'm from a blue state, so I traveled every weekend to a swing state lapucelle Nov 2016 #77

Thanks for your work. He surely wasn't belittling YOUR work, but rather elleng Nov 2016 #78

The most heart-breaking thing I learned lapucelle Nov 2016 #104

Thank you BainsBane Nov 2016 #93

Another article said her ground game turned out Trump voters BainsBane Nov 2016 #90

The problem lies in many places. elleng Nov 2016 #94

Yep Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #79

Indeed...it's tiresome. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #100

Clinton won't be running in 2020 BainsBane Nov 2016 #89

I'm a bit torn NWCorona Nov 2016 #92

HIllary Clinton won the popular vote by over 2 million (and counting). What exactly KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #107

You forgot "it's Bernie and/or Jill Steins fault"!11!! Arazi Nov 2016 #108

Jill Stein caused Hillary Clinton to lose...n/t asuhornets Nov 2016 #110

Disagree: rust belt ignored; voter suppression; Mook wrong George Eliot Nov 2016 #116