2016 Postmortem

JCanete

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20. Dude, his economics didn't add up for you. And I'm pretty sure Sanders

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:15 PM

Nov 2016

understands the realities of the entrenchment of the democratic establishment better than you explain here. People who think you can change things from within by somehow getting the very insiders to turn against the mechanisms that put them there is either naive or disingenuous. The appeal had to be made to the members of the party at large.

There is not a move Sanders could have made if it generated enough noise to be heard that you would have actually been happy with. You don't agree with his diagnosis or his solutions, so anything that reached people's ears would have been either selling fantasy in your mind or undermining a united democratic party.

People who criticize Sanders from running within the primary system as a "faux dem" are really buying their own bullshit or just pedaling it, because there are only two alternatives to that. Don't run at all. Lets have our coronation all fucking ready! Or run as a third party candidate. Can you imagine the vitriol had he done the latter?

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We can find a balance, so in the spirit of honesty.. [View all] JHan Nov 2016 OP

I don't accept the notion that Sanders "split the party...." mike_c Nov 2016 #1

You're welcomed to not accepting it.. JHan Nov 2016 #2

He lost the primary. He got over it. Some of his voters didn't. LisaL Nov 2016 #18

to be fair, the corrupt DNC chairperson had her thumb on the scale.... mike_c Nov 2016 #19

Why didn't Sanders move like Obama in 2008? Oh right, Obama prepared himself.. JHan Nov 2016 #22

yeah well, one thing we do know with certainty... mike_c Nov 2016 #24

Bingo! sfwriter Nov 2016 #29

I recommend you take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's post mortem in Newsweek emulatorloo Nov 2016 #28

I've read it... mike_c Nov 2016 #30

No, he's disaffected with BoB's. As you know most Bernie primary supporters aren't BoB's emulatorloo Nov 2016 #33

I think you really underestimate just how many/much people disliked Hillary, and it wasn't all from jmg257 Nov 2016 #3

Agreed, also sexism. JHan Nov 2016 #8

I didn't like Comey's stunts back in July or whenever and I didn't appreciate two weeks before.. JHan Nov 2016 #10

Agreed...he chose to inject himself is a great way to put it. jmg257 Nov 2016 #13

I agree on everything heaven05 Nov 2016 #4

In what way did the DNC favor Hillary? frazzled Nov 2016 #5

I agree with him on the basic facts but there was the appearance of favoritism.. JHan Nov 2016 #7

Can you explain what you mean by "appearance" frazzled Nov 2016 #9

I mostly gathered it from people's perception of it .. whether true or not.. JHan Nov 2016 #12

Yet all those things you mention have been debunked as provably false frazzled Nov 2016 #14

I agree ...no arguments from me. JHan Nov 2016 #15

Donna Brazile fed at least one debate question on Flint to Hillary. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #11

Recommended. Very well written, and I agree with much of your analysis. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #6

thanks :) JHan Nov 2016 #17

Very thoughtful and well written........ suston96 Nov 2016 #16

Dude, his economics didn't add up for you. And I'm pretty sure Sanders JCanete Nov 2016 #20

I'm not a dude. JHan Nov 2016 #21

Sorry about the "dude" thing. I'm not questioning your motives, I'm saying that I think that JCanete Nov 2016 #23

Oh I think it's worth discussing though.. JHan Nov 2016 #27

Brazile's granted, minor bias towards a candidate hardly turned the primaries. It is simply JCanete Nov 2016 #35

Sanders is an alt-left whiner. radius777 Nov 2016 #25

JHan - thank you for the honest introspection Red Oak Nov 2016 #26

Thanks Red Oak :) JHan Nov 2016 #31

Those were my reservations as well (though whiner is a bit cruel ;) ) JHan Nov 2016 #32

You said... ms liberty Nov 2016 #34