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MADem

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89. That video I offered is pretty damned close to a Sherman statement.
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 04:10 PM
Nov 2013

If Clinton gets hit by a bus, she might consider it.

But that's the ONLY circumstance that would put EW in the mix.

And if that happened, all I can say is, say hello to President Chris Christie. He's a better debater and he has very good campaign trail instincts--I don't think he'd let the RNC run his campaign, and if the far right went too far off the rails, he'd publicly disavow specific conducts, and garner crossover support as a consequence. He'd keep the wingnut votes while calling them out. He is a real danger, and anyone who dismisses him is whistling in the dark.

The ONLY Dem strong enough to wipe the floor with him--and make him look like the bully he is--is HRC.

And if Bernie ran, it would be a "vanity" campaign. He's too old, he's too far to the left, most Americans have no frigging clue who he is (Golly gee, is that Admiral Stockdale? I thought he was dead?) and he'd be a Nader--a turd in the punch. Personally, I can't see him doing anything quite so stupid--it's a lot of work, and all he'd do is piss off the people (like Hillary Clinton--who gave him MONEY for his Senate run) and he would GUARANTEE that he'd be challenged by a Democratic candidate with Big Promises and Big Money (paybacks are a mutha) and if a compelling Jim Jeffords-type Republican decided to jump in, the vote on the left could be split and a Republican could end up repping VT in the Senate again.

Bernie--unless he's planning on retiring from the Senate (because that would be the end result) at the end of his term in 2018, was running his mouth.

As for HRC, a PAC has been working for some time, it's called "Ready for Hillary." It has raised a bundle already--and most of the donations are from small donors, the five, ten, twenty five dollar crowd.

Warren's STAFF is saying "She's not running." If she were even entertaining a run, they'd be coy. And if she were even entertaining a run, there would be a PAC fired up and visible, vocal and organized support from senior people in the party, and there's none of that.

There's none of that.... because she isn't running.

You can't force people to do things they don't want to do. Maybe EW doesn't want her first marriage dragged through the mud, maybe she doesn't want to re-endure some of the shit flung at her by Scott Brown, maybe she wants to protect members of her family...or maybe, just maybe, working as a chief executive is not her area of interest--who knows why she doesn't want the job? All we know is that she has said, clearly, that she doesn't want the job, isn't interested, no-no-no-no-no, etc. This is something she doesn't want to do--and I don't understand why people don't believe her.

I suspect half of the "Ewwww--Warren for President!" noise is coming from rightwingers in the media, who love to raise hell and play that divide and conquer game. Ask yourself the question, in all sincerity: Who benefits from a Warren candidacy? It's not the Democratic Party as a whole. It's the left wing of the Democratic Party, who will have a candidate to cheer on (until she disappoints them with a stance they find troubling--and she will do that, they all do--look at how far "darling of the left" Obama has fallen; he gets so much shit on this board I sometimes think the place has been hacked by those Freeper nuts), and the Republican Party, who know they can beat her with a triangulating candidate like Christie.

Elizabeth Warren [View all] SHRED Nov 2013 OP
I think she's wonderful. Best new Senator on the Hill, IMO. By far. MADem Nov 2013 #1
Agreed. Nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #9
Can you share some specific issues that she hasn't been clear about MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #14
I provided a link. It details where she hasn't weighed in. MADem Nov 2013 #16
She's made statements on China and Syria, for example, MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #17
One comment is one comment, it's not enough--nor is it fair to her--to 'decide' what she MADem Nov 2013 #43
Well let's start with her. DocMac Nov 2013 #46
Fine. Go on, then. Après vous. nt MADem Nov 2013 #47
I like what she says libodem Nov 2013 #2
One reason I like her is because she is ferocious to the right people. Whisp Nov 2013 #3
Bringing thieving bankers to trial Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2013 #4
"Bringing thieving bankers to trial is good enough for me" red dog 1 Nov 2013 #21
She takes stands on issues that appeal to me Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #5
I'm a fan of Eliz. Warren . . . but . . . OldRedneck Nov 2013 #6
Your $0.02 is overpriced. Scuba Nov 2013 #8
Why? Don't hit and run--explain yourself. MADem Nov 2013 #10
Dont forget 8 yrs of Chelsea after Hillary! 7962 Nov 2013 #19
That is unlikely in the extreme, and I wouldn't support it at all. MADem Nov 2013 #42
HRC is a senior citizen blue14u Nov 2013 #38
Who is HLC? And the term would be "moot." MADem Nov 2013 #41
Ok, HRC and she is 66 years old. blue14u Nov 2013 #44
You can do the math as well as anyone else. MADem Nov 2013 #45
The thing is I blue14u Nov 2013 #50
Well, gird your loins, because you aren't going to get your wish. MADem Nov 2013 #51
I have not heard Hillary say she will run either. blue14u Nov 2013 #52
Apparently you're unfamiliar with the whole concept of a "roll out?" MADem Nov 2013 #54
Mr. "I consistently want H-1B outsourcing in legislation over the years" Chuck Shumer? cascadiance Nov 2013 #69
You're changing the subject. The reason he was chosen to provide an endorsement MADem Nov 2013 #75
I'm sorry but many tech workers like myself will NOT support those that want to TAKE AWAY their jobs cascadiance Nov 2013 #87
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's not going to make MADem Nov 2013 #95
if "No means no" then Hillary or Obama wouldn't run... cascadiance Nov 2013 #100
Find me six examples of HRC saying NO. No-no-no-no. MADem Nov 2013 #103
Let them have their dream. Beacool Nov 2013 #53
I paid close attention to Warren's race, and did my (little) bit to help get her elected. MADem Nov 2013 #55
As I thought in 2008, I think that experience matters. Beacool Nov 2013 #66
Yes, you are right that experience does matter, which IS why Elizabeth Warren is best qualified! cascadiance Nov 2013 #70
She's an economist. Beacool Nov 2013 #72
Why do so many want term limits now? They DON'T LIKE the wrong kind of POLITICAL experience!! cascadiance Nov 2013 #78
Who are these "so many" of which you speak? MADem Nov 2013 #80
I think that a lot on the right want these in place... cascadiance Nov 2013 #84
The thing is, though, who writes the bills that become law? MADem Nov 2013 #86
I'm not saying that either GOP or Democratic Politicians want term limits! cascadiance Nov 2013 #88
Chris Christie can run as an "outsider" too. MADem Nov 2013 #93
I don't need old movies. I watched her campaign in MA. MADem Nov 2013 #77
Even Bernie Sanders is now "reconsidering" running for president after saying "no"... cascadiance Nov 2013 #83
That video I offered is pretty damned close to a Sherman statement. MADem Nov 2013 #89
Again you give NO issue reasons to support Hillary Clinton, just RATIONALIZED numbers... cascadiance Nov 2013 #91
You didn't once ASK for any "reasons." Don't move the goalposts and expect me to be cowed. MADem Nov 2013 #97
Bingo. MADem Nov 2013 #79
I like to read opinions of all sorts. Beacool Nov 2013 #81
Yep. We are the ten percent! MADem Nov 2013 #98
I see those sites (particularly Free Republic) as mirror images of this one. Beacool Nov 2013 #99
I think we've got a few more "reasonable" folks than they do. MADem Nov 2013 #101
That was very well said. Beacool Nov 2013 #104
Ha! Ain't that the truth! nt MADem Nov 2013 #106
Hillary also said she wouldnt run in 08, as do almost EVERYBODY when asked 7962 Nov 2013 #60
Go back and see how HRC phrased her non-denials, again. MADem Nov 2013 #85
True; so what do you think of what she said about '16? She has said "no" this time. 7962 Nov 2013 #94
Let's see the video link to that, in full context. MADem Nov 2013 #96
Agreed on all accounts, and I'll add one more. TekGryphon Nov 2013 #13
I somehow doubt a president Clinton would appoint Warren as AG but that would be interesting. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #26
I like Chair of the Federal Reserve Warren. nt MADem Nov 2013 #48
I agree. I think Hillary should put ALL her support behind a Warren presidential run. jtuck004 Nov 2013 #25
Warren doesn't need 3rd way centrist support. L0oniX Nov 2013 #28
And that might be the most enlightening thing that could happen. jtuck004 Nov 2013 #29
I would prefer that the Clintons have nothing to do to or for Warren. Whisp Nov 2013 #32
Yeah, I agree, but if you want all their Reagan Democrat buddies to vote, jtuck004 Nov 2013 #35
You are so wrong. Is "seasoning" a new word for Enthusiast Nov 2013 #59
I call your 2 cents and raise you 2. 1. The middle class cant wait for Sen Warren rhett o rick Nov 2013 #62
Nailed It. bvar22 Nov 2013 #67
"We didn't fight for a Public Option because Lieberman said he was going to vote against it, so we rhett o rick Nov 2013 #73
I call it Kabuki Theater carefully scripted... bvar22 Nov 2013 #76
I am afraid I agree with you 100%. It's all Kabuki Theater. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #90
Feinstein proved the kabuki theater agenda when 2013 started and fillibuster rule changes in the mix cascadiance Nov 2013 #92
Beware. Whisp Nov 2013 #111
I doubt Warren will run bradactor63 Nov 2013 #107
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #108
Can we add a 4? Arkana Nov 2013 #109
One of the few remaining FDR Democrats around. n/t. airplaneman Nov 2013 #7
And for that very reason... DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #12
I see the Republicans cheering for the Democrats to nominate/neutralize/disengage her libdem4life Nov 2013 #24
I like her DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #36
Just watched her again. She is a teacher/professor/economist/intellectual just incidently a woman libdem4life Nov 2013 #37
I see that too!! blue14u Nov 2013 #39
K&R n/t Paper Roses Nov 2013 #11
Head of the Federal Reserve? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #15
Now there's an idea! 7962 Nov 2013 #20
Unlikely as she lacks the experience and economics background. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #27
Are you joking? wilsonbooks Nov 2013 #31
No. I'm aware of her background and I stand by my opionion that such an appointment is unlikely. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #49
Berkeley doesn't have SCHOLARS like Warren speak if they are "inexperienced"... cascadiance Nov 2013 #71
My 'lacks the experience' comment was about the possibility of her being nonimated as Fed Chair PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #105
Dreamer! If Clinton or Christie win, they wont touch Sen Warren. Larry Summers would rhett o rick Nov 2013 #63
I am all about that! BlueJac Nov 2013 #18
K&R red dog 1 Nov 2013 #22
Agreed. She's already crashing through an old Senate ceiling as a "newbie" speaking to the entire libdem4life Nov 2013 #23
I know that the highest accolade we can offer is to say we want her as President tavalon Nov 2013 #30
+1, but I want someone of her mindset in the White House. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #33
Absolutely tavalon Nov 2013 #34
Any elected official who says: "I've looked at the data and it shows..." lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #40
She was a Harvard Law School Professor. libdem4life Nov 2013 #102
Agree! UCmeNdc Nov 2013 #56
Warren is on fire & will make a much more dynamic candidate than H.Clinton. Divernan Nov 2013 #57
Primary talk aside I really like how she's challenging the status quo - TBF Nov 2013 #58
If we nominate her, Indyfan53 Nov 2013 #61
I agree. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #64
I, for one, am sick of the Clinton's DLC BULLSHIT!! SHRED Nov 2013 #65
Hear, hear! woo me with science Nov 2013 #68
The crooked banks will The Wizard Nov 2013 #74
Cant you just hear the corporate media a few months before the Iowa caucus INdemo Nov 2013 #82
kr Norrin Radd Nov 2013 #110
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