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Cha

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143. Obama's Grace~ The President is an inspiration~
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:16 AM
Jun 2015


And of course it was. His singing was the aspect of the speech that will be easiest to remember. That is in part because it was so unusual and in part because it was so brave: Obama sang well, but not perfectly. For someone so precise and aspiring-to-perfection in most other realms of achievement, and so obviously hyper-aware of his levels of skill (he told Marc Maron in his remarkable WTF interview that he didn’t like playing basketball any more, now that he recognized that age had made him the weakest player on the court), singing like another enthusiastic parishioner, and not like a featured member of the choir, was brave and said something about his comfort with this crowd.

"The choice of grace as the unifying theme, which by the standards of political speeches qualifies as a stroke of genius."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/grace/397064/

Of course the rwingers hate him bringing together mourners with Grace and Comfort.

Poor Bernie.. his advocates think they have to tear down the President and everyone else to build him up.
Isn't that interesting? MADem Jun 2015 #1
"Nothing to see here," for some. For a good many others it was glaringly obvious. Cha Jun 2015 #8
What was glaringly obvious? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #140
'Bernie doesn't care' was a strawman invented by his supporters. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #161
"Bernie is a fallible mortal like anybody else.." George II Jun 2015 #173
We've never denied she was either. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #176
We see all the time here that she changes her positions with the political wind, etc. George II Jun 2015 #185
She does. And this doesn't contradict the idea that she's a fallible mortal. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #193
Bernie stuck his wet finger in the air and felt the brush of the winds of fate...and changed. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #197
Really, Sheepshank? Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #206
yeah...really...referring to this thread: Sheepshank Jun 2015 #207
I don't care to argue, Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #208
ooops, I was updating/editing my comment while you were posting Sheepshank Jun 2015 #209
All is forgiven. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #212
Wrong. Hillary can evolve. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #237
Because Bernie never changed who he was, never sold out. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #238
Yes there certainly are other candidates. BTW, OP poster have you been out of the country? This appalachiablue Jul 2015 #239
I saw posts from Sanders supporters TODAY feeling that he has properly explained his policies on Number23 Jun 2015 #194
Thank you, 23! Cha Jun 2015 #236
Just so long as Bernie supporters realize that evolving on this matter is already too late. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #196
No, I don't think it is EVER too late for people to realize and change--only Republicans think that MADem Jun 2015 #201
I was being a little fecisious...of course people should be allowed to evolve. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #204
I knew you were having a little fun; so was I. MADem Jun 2015 #211
I can't imagine how anyone could get that impression Fumesucker Jun 2015 #2
some here took extreme posts and projected them on EVERY instance where someone complained bigtree Jun 2015 #3
He's been called racist here for not saying three words. madfloridian Jun 2015 #4
more deflection bigtree Jun 2015 #5
Enough. madfloridian Jun 2015 #6
I didn't say he was a racist, never have bigtree Jun 2015 #14
What is it that you're looking for out of Bernie or his supporters? Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #49
a more direct discussion of issues and concerns of the black community bigtree Jun 2015 #54
This took me 2 seconds to find. Does this count? Bonobo Jun 2015 #63
of course it does bigtree Jun 2015 #69
LOL. Bonobo Jun 2015 #72
no, I won't be stifled from demanding that my concerns are addressed bigtree Jun 2015 #75
Absolutely, I understand. Bonobo Jun 2015 #78
And defending the demonization of a candidate as indifferent to particular concerns Ken Burch Jun 2015 #113
You do know he was an organizer for SNCC Ken Burch Jun 2015 #73
pointing to his past record is illuminating of his character and support bigtree Jun 2015 #77
It just occured to me Bernie is running.... sgtbenobo Jun 2015 #101
If you're going to be consistent on this, please call on HRC to apologize for helping build the DLC. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #110
and incumbents aspirant Jun 2015 #114
them too. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #138
BINGO! kath Jun 2015 #168
Sorry, but your posts are full of it. HERVEPA Jun 2015 #203
I know that he's given these issues I've outlined in my op low priority bigtree Jun 2015 #215
You keep asking what's an an unanswerable question at the moment HERVEPA Jun 2015 #217
and that makes me 'full of it?' bigtree Jun 2015 #218
can you please give one example dsc Jun 2015 #7
That is deliberate nitpicking. madfloridian Jun 2015 #10
No it isn't dsc Jun 2015 #11
No, you're assertion was a straw man. Each time that has been alleged stevenleser Jun 2015 #70
It has been implied AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #103
Who here called Sanders a racist? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #12
I do. AnnetteJacobs Jun 2015 #100
Where in the thread? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #104
You wont find it anywhere. It is a convenient strawman to try to shut down discussion of the issue. stevenleser Jun 2015 #166
See #240, #2. The prinicpal and possible worst attack among others. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #242
And a poster earlier this week actually accused Bernie of seeking the votes of bigots. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #57
Folks who are prone to use strawmen don't need much encouragement. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #167
"NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE" OP May 27, 2015 after Sanders Campaign Kickoff Event. Direct flame bait appalachiablue Jul 2015 #240
Good for Bernie being "honest".. Cha Jun 2015 #9
the problem is that just because more hispanics and blacks are poor dsc Jun 2015 #13
You're absolutely right, dsc. Cha Jun 2015 #15
And Bernie was always going to address that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #19
oh you mean like the thread where Hillary doesn't talk incessantly about the environment Sheepshank Jun 2015 #198
Bernie has spoken out against police violence DURING this campaign. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #133
There is no slur in that statement. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #122
He was always going to do that anyway. He never needed to be forced. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #16
so your contention is he deliberately lowballed his focus on the black community in his rhetoric bigtree Jun 2015 #17
He never lowballed his focus on poc, or women, or LGBTQ people. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #21
that's not a very good excuse bigtree Jun 2015 #25
He didn't lowball anything. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #61
Bernie's issue has been Economics and I hope he's finding out since his statement in 2014 that Cha Jun 2015 #99
Bernie never said that economic issues were ALL that mattered. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #121
Bernie fights for all Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #169
He's never ever said race doesn't matter. He's just said class matters, too. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #183
maybe because people fear it won't be a priority if he isn't talking about it dsc Jun 2015 #18
you hit that right on the head bigtree Jun 2015 #22
Why are you still attacking on this? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #24
I'm replying to deflections bigtree Jun 2015 #26
I've been in the Bernie group calling on Bernie to talk about this more. I have listened. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #23
I'm an O'Malley supporter (not a Clinton supporter) advocating for issues and concerns I believe in bigtree Jun 2015 #27
For the record dsc Jun 2015 #28
I like Brown, too. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #55
I think that he is going to have problems in this area dsc Jun 2015 #71
Holy crapola kenfrequed Jun 2015 #229
"You can't be part of building the DLC and then later bash other people as not being anti-oppression kath Jun 2015 #170
you mean like the lack of priority Hillary has, as described on this thread? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #199
To the extent that she isn't addressing it that is a fair concern dsc Jun 2015 #202
These events are happening under Obama's watch too aspirant Jun 2015 #20
"He's had 7 years to crush these societal problems.." Oh yeah, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Cha Jun 2015 #98
Happening under Obama's watch aspirant Jun 2015 #105
Unfortunately Bernie's supporters on DU are not his best advocates.. this is about Bernie and his Cha Jun 2015 #107
"Unfortunately" Obama's "supporters...are not his best advocates" aspirant Jun 2015 #111
Bernie is the one running for President. President Obama's polls are 86% among Liberal Dems.. Cha Jun 2015 #115
But the entire AA community is not doing fine aspirant Jun 2015 #117
Yeah, maybe Bernie will get the message. Cha Jun 2015 #119
Why isn't Obama getting the message too? aspirant Jun 2015 #123
So much of the African American Communiity loves Pres Obama.. I'm not sure about Bernie. Cha Jun 2015 #125
What about the one's that are aspirant Jun 2015 #129
You're the only trying to make the President look bad to build up Bernie.. poor Bernie. Cha Jun 2015 #132
We look at the President's performances too aspirant Jun 2015 #136
Obama's Grace~ The President is an inspiration~ Cha Jun 2015 #143
Can he inspire himself aspirant Jun 2015 #145
President Obama is such a beautiful soul. What an amazing successful week our Country has had! Cha Jun 2015 #148
Thanks for the link cha mcar Jun 2015 #186
I have a couple of more today, mcar.. Cha Jun 2015 #190
I will check them out mcar Jun 2015 #191
You're only trying to make Bernie look bad to build up the most conservative candidate in the race. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #142
Nah, I'm not trying to make bernie look bad.. but, I agree with bigtree's OP. Cha Jun 2015 #144
Bernie was going to make a major speech on anti-oppression issues last Sunday. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #146
DLC - "Democrats for the Leisure Class" kath Jun 2015 #172
+5. I also use the (buy-partisan) Investor Class appalachiablue Jul 2015 #241
Why does President Obama hate the AA community? zappaman Jun 2015 #175
I know, zappa.. hilariously ignorant deflection! Cha Jun 2015 #189
No, it's not. This entire form is called General Discussion - Primaries. Obama is not running stevenleser Jun 2015 #162
Oh, it's the self-proclaimed unpaid Fox News guy aspirant Jun 2015 #188
Just like your candidate Bernie. You should call him up and criticize him right away. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #230
He's running for President and a sitting Senator, are you? aspirant Jun 2015 #231
That means nothing. He goes to argue Democratic points. Same as me. Go criticize him. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #232
Running for President and a Senator means nothing? aspirant Jun 2015 #233
Nope, if its evil to go on that network, its evil. Go criticize Sanders. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #234
Sanders has a reason to go, you don't. aspirant Jun 2015 #235
DOJ has investigated hate crimes BainsBane Jun 2015 #149
What are Obama and DoJ solutions to aspirant Jun 2015 #187
I suggest you don't vote for Obama since he didn't fix the AA social problems thing. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #200
7 years of "Hope and Change" aspirant Jun 2015 #214
Ill be glad when primaries are finally over and you leave Sheepshank Jun 2015 #216
Then why respond? aspirant Jun 2015 #219
Simple Sheepshank Jun 2015 #220
You're being to "predictable" aspirant Jun 2015 #221
I'm ok with this particular predictability Sheepshank Jun 2015 #222
Are you still on tha "hope" and change wave aspirant Jun 2015 #223
Palin...is that you...or are you a special DU'er just trying to bait me? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #224
Fishing chum is all that's necessary here. aspirant Jun 2015 #225
hope you don't aspirate on the stuff you are flinging out. n/t Sheepshank Jun 2015 #226
The chum is just too inticing aspirant Jun 2015 #227
Responses like this BainsBane Jun 2015 #147
It's Bernie's campaign aspirant Jun 2015 #150
Sanders has said the campaign is about the people BainsBane Jun 2015 #153
Do you think Bernie's state of knowledge is lacking? aspirant Jun 2015 #154
That's fair JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #155
"losing ground" but gaining in the polls aspirant Jun 2015 #156
No - that would be JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #158
You feelings got hurt. It's time to get over it. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #29
wow bigtree Jun 2015 #30
You are confusing a lot of different things. Bonobo Jun 2015 #34
You might want to look at post 4 in this thread dsc Jun 2015 #47
you have nothing to offer except for a defense of your candidate bigtree Jun 2015 #52
Dude, your OP starts with "We Were Accused!" Bonobo Jun 2015 #53
and we were accused bigtree Jun 2015 #56
Your issues of hurt feelings relate to DU relationships. It is meta. Bonobo Jun 2015 #62
you don't get to dictate how I feel bigtree Jun 2015 #65
Yes, yes. See post #67. Bonobo Jun 2015 #68
Why can't you admit that those concerns were unfounded? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #137
Jury results - 1-6 leave. Lancero Jun 2015 #35
I haven't had a hidden post in 30 days! Bonobo Jun 2015 #39
not my alert bigtree Jun 2015 #58
I don't really think that he got your message...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #31
Yes, very good post. So true. madfloridian Jun 2015 #33
we'll see if that suffices bigtree Jun 2015 #37
Yeah, I doubt if he got the Black Community's message either.. but, we'll see. Cha Jun 2015 #108
That would be unfortunate BainsBane Jun 2015 #151
If Obama listens and understands aspirant Jun 2015 #152
So Bernie is deaf (although he's turned up his hearing aid) and he can't fix things either? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #205
I'm glad you agree that Obama aspirant Jun 2015 #213
My point is that he has always been listening.... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #164
Bernie posted this on Twitter on June 11, days before Charleston and the many posts here... madfloridian Jun 2015 #32
many have said the same about politicians' efforts in addressing the LGBT community bigtree Jun 2015 #41
To direct it at a candidate who has stood for the needs of people his whole career.. madfloridian Jun 2015 #45
you don't know what will 'matter' to me bigtree Jun 2015 #60
I care what matters. madfloridian Jun 2015 #88
it's called 'holding feet to the fire' bigtree Jun 2015 #92
By demanding he do something he has been doing for over 50 years? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #182
Sanders will deliver on all of our platform Babel_17 Jun 2015 #36
I'd like to quote your words toward those of us who complained about Rick Warren at the Inaugural Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #38
Make sure to not hold your breath while you wait for a response. Bonobo Jun 2015 #40
you contradict the very point about my defense of these complaints against Sanders bigtree Jun 2015 #43
I will speak for myself here dsc Jun 2015 #44
Thanks for the info. LeftOfWest Jun 2015 #51
Good point. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #59
I'm glad he is BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #42
I'm glad he is, as well, BrotherIvan bigtree Jun 2015 #46
I think all of the issues are important but the murdering cops BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #48
Window dressing. You're ridiculous. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #50
ridiculous to hope that this effort comprises more than lip service from a politician? bigtree Jun 2015 #64
No. I really don't. You're trying too hard. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #79
your concern for my efforts is noted bigtree Jun 2015 #84
The "Your concern is noted" thing is kinda played out. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #85
"you're ridiculous" You're not trying hard enough. Cha Jun 2015 #116
Is Obama trying hard enough to fix all these problems? aspirant Jun 2015 #118
Bernie needs to try harder.. that's what he said anyway.. we'll see. Cha Jun 2015 #120
This idea that Bernie isn't good enough on minority concerns is a manufactured issue. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #124
his own words.. “We’re going to significantly increase that,” the Democratic presidential hopeful to Cha Jun 2015 #127
What? He's going to increase his mentions of success? He's going to tell people what he's done on Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #130
Why isn't Obama trying harder, he's the President? aspirant Jun 2015 #126
It's only you saying he isn't.. so many in the AA community love President Obama. Cha Jun 2015 #128
The ones behind bars aspirant Jun 2015 #134
His "pet issue" of economics? Whether people can afford food, health care, and education.... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #66
I can 'afford food' bigtree Jun 2015 #74
"To ignore that" Bonobo Jun 2015 #76
I didn't discount it. I made the observation that 2 minutes in a campaign isn't enough bigtree Jun 2015 #81
Read your own post. I will make it easy for you. Bonobo Jun 2015 #83
let me make it 'easy' for you bigtree Jun 2015 #87
I understand. Bonobo Jun 2015 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #80
Bernie has never ignored that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #131
Another great post. Your sentence in the 1st paragraph, beginning w/ "HRC has spent decades" kath Jun 2015 #178
Hillary has a long history of pandering. Maedhros Jun 2015 #210
Posting tips 101! Bonobo Jun 2015 #67
" economic success for many black Americans" < Has there been a black-owned gold strike? jtuck004 Jun 2015 #82
those issues are important bigtree Jun 2015 #86
"despicable"< Is a word I also use when people pretend that others conditions are better than they jtuck004 Jun 2015 #91
you're telling me what I was referring to? bigtree Jun 2015 #94
Wait a min CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #90
Yes, the same Hillary that said that the hardworking Americans Bonobo Jun 2015 #93
I haven't 'labeled him a racist' bigtree Jun 2015 #95
I'm out, folks bigtree Jun 2015 #96
So I ask you this CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #97
Nobody implied Bernie is a racist.. that's pure hogwash from his so called advocates on DU who Cha Jun 2015 #112
There is that strawman again. No one called Bernie a racist. Nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #163
Those who pushed this ignored his 50 year record AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #102
Meta. There was a political point there, but it got drowned out by the OP's posturing. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #106
You're trying to shut down discussion.. not gonna happen. Cha Jun 2015 #109
There's no valid discussion that needs to happen here. There was never a real issue. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #135
Sez you.. that means less than nothing to me. Cha Jun 2015 #139
No other candidates have a better record on anti-oppression issues. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #141
There was no real claim that you called Bernie a racist Ken Burch Jun 2015 #157
No, I'm pretty sure the people accused of implying Sanders was a racist were Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #159
nonexistent. Just add that word to your subject and that is all that is needed. stevenleser Jun 2015 #165
Economics isn't his "pet issue". It's his lens through which he sees the world. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #160
It almost sounds like some people won't believe he's anti-oppression Ken Burch Jun 2015 #174
Popcorn...time nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #171
Hillary's supporters are cherry-picking Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #179
It is worst than just cherry picking nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #180
We will get the kitchen sink again and the Xeroxing Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #181
The campaign has moved to more diverse states. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #177
interesting argument bigtree Jun 2015 #184
It's not. Hopefully they will feel a connection. mmonk Jun 2015 #192
I think Bernie will do very well addressing those issues. lovemydog Jun 2015 #195
What amazing powers you wield! Your criticism went back in time and made him jeff47 Jun 2015 #228
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