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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
66. No, it has power because it can buy advertising, GOTV, etc.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jun 2015

If raising money wasn't important in winning campaigns, then politicians wouldn't bother spending so much time doing it.

Also, pretty much every sentence in your post is wrong.

--Hillary isn't raising money from "the ones who have corrupted the system" (those would be Republicans)
--The SC appointments aren't "lame", they are crucial. The last two weeks should have made that crystal clear.
--There is plenty of evidence she would appoint people who would make a difference. In fact, all Dem nominees have been on the right side of all the recent close decisions.
--We don't have to wait until Roberts dies or retires. There are likely to be three retirements in the next 4-8 years, including Scalia and Kennedy. A lot rides on who replaces them.
--The crony system is already codified, in the form of Citizens United
--A president who "fights hard" is not going to make any difference as long as there are Republican majorities in congress and the supreme court. Remember, it was the supreme court, not the president or congress, who decided Citizens United.

Most importantly, losing the White House in 2016 destroys any hope of progress on campaign finance for a generation. On this particular issue (and many others), the difference between Hillary and Bernie is tiny compared to the difference between either one and the GOP. So kneecapping ourselves by getting outspent 10-1 by Republicans is the worst possible strategy.

Oh I can think of so many times I have made bad compromises Kalidurga Jun 2015 #1
We can all relate to that.... daleanime Jun 2015 #5
"We need the most billionaire-friendly candidate, with ideas repubs will vote "yes" on" arcane1 Jun 2015 #2
Makes two of us.... daleanime Jun 2015 #6
This line of thinking makes me feel like my brain is in a blender. Totally Crazytown. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #63
The longer you accept it the longer it will continue. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #3
Yeahup, got that right.... daleanime Jun 2015 #7
Precisely. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #52
How does a Capitalist aspirant Jun 2015 #4
You are going to write law outside of congress? upaloopa Jun 2015 #8
Do you laugh at aspirant Jun 2015 #9
"Change comes just from wanting it" sounds like that "law of attraction" horseshit arcane1 Jun 2015 #10
Glad to be of service..... daleanime Jun 2015 #11
Of course, because losing the election is totally the way to bring about reform. DanTex Jun 2015 #12
And that's where we disagree..... daleanime Jun 2015 #13
It's an issue the MAJORITY supports! arcane1 Jun 2015 #14
Amen..... daleanime Jun 2015 #19
Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #53
Not raising money is a losing strategy. DanTex Jun 2015 #16
And we raising money.... daleanime Jun 2015 #18
It's bad if we get out-raised 10-1 by the Republicans. Which is what would happen. DanTex Jun 2015 #21
When Bernie beats aspirant Jun 2015 #25
It's hard to imagine him even winning the primary, much less the GE. DanTex Jun 2015 #29
Nothing hard about it aspirant Jun 2015 #30
But that the thing.... daleanime Jun 2015 #27
Being outspent 10-1 is definitely a huge handicap. DanTex Jun 2015 #28
But it kind of hard to say we shouldn't be doing something.... daleanime Jun 2015 #31
That's a poor analogy. It's like the RW argument that if liberals think taxes should be DanTex Jun 2015 #33
Maybe, but it remains true. It hard to argue against a law.... daleanime Jun 2015 #40
It's not a matter of arguing against it, it's a matter of changing it. That requires DanTex Jun 2015 #42
Kind of hard to change something.... daleanime Jun 2015 #45
The only way to change it is to win elections and nominate SC justices. Saying "start now" DanTex Jun 2015 #54
And some one who owes their victory to $$$$.... daleanime Jun 2015 #55
Well, every SC justice nominated by a Dem voted against CU. DanTex Jun 2015 #57
Citizens United is far from the beginning or the core of the campaign finance swamp TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #75
Sure, but without fixing CU, and without electing a Dem to the presidency DanTex Jul 2015 #77
That "fix" requires a constitutional amendment so with that kind of effort and odds we better TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #101
So money votes then. zeemike Jun 2015 #56
Right now, thanks to the GOP and Citizens United, money has too much power. DanTex Jun 2015 #58
It has power because we give it power zeemike Jun 2015 #64
No, it has power because it can buy advertising, GOTV, etc. DanTex Jun 2015 #66
There are bullies and enablers. zeemike Jun 2015 #68
The thing stopping congress from reforming campaign laws is the GOP. DanTex Jul 2015 #73
You make it simple...good/bad. zeemike Jul 2015 #74
It is pretty simple when it comes to the GE. Dems good, Reps bad. DanTex Jul 2015 #76
We are not talking about the GE now are we? zeemike Jul 2015 #81
I'm talking about the GE. If we nominate someone who can't win the GE, that's bad. DanTex Jul 2015 #82
If Bernie beats Hillary... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #91
Well you got that backward. zeemike Jul 2015 #96
The GOP would love nothing more than to run against Sanders. DanTex Jul 2015 #97
The exact opposite of that is true. zeemike Jul 2015 #100
I think the best way to go about it would be if all of our candidates..... NCTraveler Jun 2015 #15
Totally disagree... daleanime Jun 2015 #17
Not sure what your credit union has to do with it. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #22
Past 5 years, ask Obama aspirant Jun 2015 #23
No kidding. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #50
Sell our souls to the devil aspirant Jun 2015 #20
In other words, always play by THEIR rules. arcane1 Jun 2015 #24
That's the excuse we used for why it was okay for POTUS to use a super PAC. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #26
Exactly. 99Forever Jun 2015 #32
Wait until spring 2016, you'll see Sanders can't. George II Jun 2015 #36
And this is what you're hoping for? daleanime Jun 2015 #38
Well, that's an odd way to put it - I'm hoping for a Clinton victory so, to put it in your terms.... George II Jun 2015 #43
I thought we were discussing campaign finances? daleanime Jun 2015 #47
I find it ironic RichVRichV Jun 2015 #48
I didn't say that, and raising campaign funds isn't playing by "rigged rules". George II Jun 2015 #49
Quite clearly, you know jack shit about Bernie. 99Forever Jun 2015 #65
Thanks for the gratuitous insults. "Stupid statements", etc? George II Jun 2015 #67
So apparently any statement not lauding your candidate is considered by you to be.... George II Jun 2015 #69
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #70
It wasn't stupid and Clinton isn't a corrupt "republican lite" or bought and paid for by anyone. George II Jun 2015 #71
So what do you suggest we do here in 2015????? George II Jun 2015 #34
Uh, work our butts off.... daleanime Jun 2015 #37
Back when they were trying to kill off the IWW, some of the folks said they would jtuck004 Jun 2015 #35
A perfect analogy. nt valerief Jun 2015 #39
Thank you.... daleanime Jun 2015 #41
The perennially outraged? valerief Jun 2015 #44
Could be, I get the feeling.... daleanime Jun 2015 #46
wolf-pac. com Half-Century Man Jun 2015 #51
We need PRINCIPLED candidates aspirant Jun 2015 #59
They are junkies. Hooked on the almighty dollar. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #60
People are listening to the media too much.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #61
Agreed. daleanime Jun 2015 #62
Do let us know how that works out for ya. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #72
Fairly good.... daleanime Jul 2015 #78
Really? The election is over? Lil Missy Jul 2015 #79
Oh, pardon me..... daleanime Jul 2015 #80
Hmm...there is no way to change campaign financing before MineralMan Jul 2015 #83
If we wait for 'official' change..... daleanime Jul 2015 #86
Elections are "official" things. MineralMan Jul 2015 #90
I could not agree more. Before this campaign is over, that money is going to become poison sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #84
Amen..... daleanime Jul 2015 #88
Wow, that's like the worst analogy I've ever seen. Arkana Jul 2015 #85
How does feasability.... daleanime Jul 2015 #87
Well, for the moment... Adrahil Jul 2015 #89
It's going to be dirty... daleanime Jul 2015 #94
Explain how you go "cold turkey" AND beat the Republicans. brooklynite Jul 2015 #92
I would turn the question around..... daleanime Jul 2015 #93
We changed health care coverage... brooklynite Jul 2015 #95
I hate to be a Debbie Downer Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #98
Hard? I would say impossible... daleanime Jul 2015 #99
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