2016 Postmortem

delrem

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78. Because they're honest about it.

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:03 AM

Jul 2015

Not pretending to be progressive and not even deigning to nod in the direction of 'liberal'. They are honest. Not pretending that "policy" matters to them, explaining up front that they're in it to win and that they love the money that they think it takes to win.

There are many DU posters who agree with ConservativeDemocrat, many of whom sport HRC logos as avatar. But there are also those who promote third-way economic/military policy but who aren't so up front. Hell, at first just a couple but now there are several actually pretending to be "Bernie supporters", using that front to promote their insidious message.

I find ConservativeDemocrat's honesty refreshing.

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Hillary wins / Bernie loses [View all] ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 OP

It's a beautiful day today. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #1

Still don't believe you.... daleanime Jul 2015 #2

If this were December you'd have a real argument here, it's July.... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #3

Your reality is a bubble -Bernie- Jul 2015 #4

I think the op's use of factual data means he/she is reality based. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #9

Show me one state.... daleanime Jul 2015 #17

I will enthusiastically vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #41

Cool, cool... daleanime Jul 2015 #43

You are totally hot Depaysement Jul 2015 #36

Amen. My Brewers were on fire at the All-Star break last year when the tide turned. It's a long Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #81

these sci-fi memes don't impress anyone except his core voters, same with the 1984 stuff. bettyellen Jul 2015 #110

Bookmarking 1000words Jul 2015 #5

"irrefutable facts" Bwahahahahahaha. 99Forever Jul 2015 #6

You do understand that the election is over a year away, don't you? tularetom Jul 2015 #7

Bernie is great and I hope he wins, but... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #8

Oh dang. And here I just stuck my Bernie bumper sticker on my bumper. djean111 Jul 2015 #10

Just sell the car. frylock Jul 2015 #29

Why do you think arrogant dismissiveness helps? Ken Burch Jul 2015 #11

Not a landslide Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #12

"irrefutable facts" - so these are "unskewed polls" then?... n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #13

No, these are polls ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #19

The general election polls don't mean a thing now. ram2008 Jul 2015 #28

These are old polls Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #56

Thanks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #14

And if Bernie loses and decides to Chakaconcarne Jul 2015 #15

Bernie won't run as an independent. mwooldri Jul 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #25

This is crap... the only reason he's behind is NAME ID ram2008 Jul 2015 #16

It says a lot that a long time congressman and senator hack89 Jul 2015 #20

Very sad that people don't educate themselves about his record ram2008 Jul 2015 #27

Ok. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #32

Don't bother Depaysement Jul 2015 #38

It may be "sad", but it's the reality of the situation ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #60

And Clinton resonates with the public because of her accomplishments.. frylock Jul 2015 #31

Besides being one of the best SoS in recent history? hack89 Jul 2015 #34

What did she actually accomplish? ram2008 Jul 2015 #37

Enough to garner the name recognition Bernie will never have. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #42

Oh, please! She is the former first lady. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #45

Being the first lady, voting for the war, and losing to Obama? ram2008 Jul 2015 #47

It's going to put her in the White House. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #48

Not if she can't articulate what her accomplishments are ram2008 Jul 2015 #49

Bernie has the same problem. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #50

It's amazing how much this sounds like a Republican attack ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #61

You forgot dodging sniper fire in Bosnia....... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #59

oh, here, let me help you out....."Benghazi!!!!" Sheepshank Jul 2015 #92

And her accomplisments as SOS? frylock Jul 2015 #51

Your 2nd link does not have D nominee Obama's 2007 'electability' stats. You linked to 2008. (nt) PotatoChip Jul 2015 #18

Thanks for the actual factual challenge ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #21

Ok, thanks. (nt) PotatoChip Jul 2015 #23

These are not good polling numbers for Sanders Gothmog Jul 2015 #24

As long as the Democratic Party nominee wins.... mwooldri Jul 2015 #26

Good information, been waiting to see matchups with DNC candidates other than Hillary. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #30

bookmarking frylock Jul 2015 #33

you are providing data, not facts virtualobserver Jul 2015 #35

xcelant point questionseverything Jul 2015 #53

One of the candidates doesn't want too many debates kenfrequed Jul 2015 #107

Look where John Edwards was in 2007. mwooldri Jul 2015 #39

BernHeads ignore reality calguy Jul 2015 #40

Simply nonsense. IMO. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #54

Bernie isn't that far to the left Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #80

Ridiculous claim. But, since you believe he is that far to the left... stillwaiting Jul 2015 #101

I do believe that is how a huge chunk of the electorate see Bernie Sheepshank Jul 2015 #105

we view ted cruz as an moronic liar... lame54 Jul 2015 #113

8 months til the first primary AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #44

At that rate, he'll be at 111% by Iowa!...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #46

How about that NDP in Alberta eh? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #57

hehe. And Harper's looking to lose the federal election in October. delrem Jul 2015 #77

And the Dodgers started the day four up on the Giants. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #52

Why are we listening to anyone ibegurpard Jul 2015 #55

I've noticed that before now that you mention it. An oxymoron, but granted it explains much. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #58

There's more to the Democratic party than the D.U. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #62

none of those things makes someone "conservative" ibegurpard Jul 2015 #65

Don't say that too loud around here... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #66

Yeah not interested ibegurpard Jul 2015 #68

Because they're honest about it. delrem Jul 2015 #78

Actually the policy differences are central, not to "purists", but to the average American. mmonk Jul 2015 #63

Curious about what the name "ConservativeDemocrat" is intended to mean at DU McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #64

I'm no longer an NRA member. They've gone nuts. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #67

And, I would think that since you do like to hunt that you might support BS's stance on guns Cha Jul 2015 #75

Oh I do ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #83

I think Hillary is pro 2nd amendment.. just for sensible gun laws. you really don't have to Cha Jul 2015 #85

"... insignificant to all but the most exclusionary purist ideologues ..." Bullshit. Scuba Jul 2015 #69

Way to prove my point, scuba ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #79

Yes, pro -war. Voted for the IWR and use of cluster bombs. That's pro war in my book. Scuba Jul 2015 #87

Since you are reality-based, you must realize how offensive the tone of your OP is. Vattel Jul 2015 #70

Offensive tone? ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #72

Sorry, but I don't think that you can justify the offensive tone of your OP Vattel Jul 2015 #73

Oh, I'm not "justifying". I'm flat out denying. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #74

If you are denying that the tone of your OP is offensive, Vattel Jul 2015 #89

I will do no "gloating" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #90

Obviously it wasn't the neutral facts you presented that I found offensive. Vattel Jul 2015 #96

Yes. It is very much a neutral fact... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #98

Words have meaning. Vattel Jul 2015 #100

And I stand by that ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #102

So, for example, Clinton's supporting the patriot act vs Sanders' not supporting it Vattel Jul 2015 #103

Okay, good first step ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #106

wow. Vattel Jul 2015 #108

"Is getting a shot at a Sanders presidency by nominating him worth the added risk of losing? " is a bettyellen Jul 2015 #112

Why would anyone on this site take someone with conservative in their name seriously? 99Forever Jul 2015 #71

I'm going to answer identically as I answered ibegurpard #55 delrem Jul 2015 #84

We'll just have to agree to disagree. n/t 99Forever Jul 2015 #88

Ah, the "purist" and "ideologue" cards get inevitably played. Again. villager Jul 2015 #76

CLINTON WAS THE FRONT RUNNER IN 2004. SHE LOST. Fearless Jul 2015 #82

2004? FSogol Jul 2015 #91

2008. You know what I meant. Fearless Jul 2015 #93

You have the ability to edit it and make the correction instead of snapping at me. FSogol Jul 2015 #94

You inferred that I was snapping, I really wasn't. Fearless Jul 2015 #95

You added, "You know what I meant" which seemed like snark. FSogol Jul 2015 #97

POLLS are not "irrefutable facts". John Poet Jul 2015 #86

DINO alert. nt daredtowork Jul 2015 #99

WTF are you talking about? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #104

Silly you! Dontcha know only the polls showing a Bern- surge are correct? bettyellen Jul 2015 #109

why do we bother with elections... lame54 Jul 2015 #111