2016 Postmortem

JDPriestly

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46. Obama, recently, has done some very liberal things that have

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 12:10 PM

Jul 2015

taken a lot of courage -- like opening up a bit to Cuba and like signing the intent to enter into a treaty with Iran. Like his immigration and overtime executive orders. Good things.

Also his statements on prisons and his visit to a prison.

I cannot picture Hillary doing these things, especially not opening up to Cuba or taking a cautious chance on a treaty with Iran.

Obama has been very weak in dealing with Wall Street and investigating fraud in the transfer of taxable income by big corporations to tax havens as well as many other issues.

But especially lately, Obama has been doing a lot of things that earn my respect.

I do not expect Hillary to be as courageous as Obama has been. She is too intent on appearing to have strength. The reason that I say that Obama has been courageous in some of his recent policies is that these are policies that Republicans view as signs of weakness. To me they are signs of strength, but Republicans ridicule them as weak. Hillary has a great need to come across as strong. She fears appearing vulnerable I think. That is one of the reasons that I do not trust her character.

Sometimes doing the right thing requires taking the risk of appearing weak and vulnerable. Bernie Sanders takes those kinds of risks. Obama is now taking them although earlier in his presidency he did not take them much. Hillary has a hard time taking those kinds of risks. That is a character flaw in her.

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If Bernie wins the primary, then I will refuse to vote in the General Election! [View all] DanTex Jul 2015 OP

I will enthusiastically vote for the Dem nominee. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #1

No kidding. Would seem like a no-brainer. Hillary, Bernie, O'Malley, whoever it is. DanTex Jul 2015 #3

Bernie and Hillary voted together 93% of the time... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #18

That's reassuring. But the 7% difference also meant big differences for the public interest. ancianita Jul 2015 #59

And Bernie voted yes on guns, F-35s, and no to closing Guantanamo. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #129

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT??? FUCK! You mean - gasp - he's not - gasp - PERFECT? calimary Jul 2015 #161

Same here Scootaloo Jul 2015 #26

Me too, because by 2020 the whole creep-to-the-right dynamic will have fully reversed itself, and GoneFishin Jul 2015 #34

'name removed' is a prolific poster. onehandle Jul 2015 #2

DU might consider a "name to be removed in the near future" feature. DanTex Jul 2015 #4

LOL. +1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #23

"name removed" is "name removed" for a reason Autumn Jul 2015 #5

True, but I didn't realize that "name removed" could rec an OP 100 times. DanTex Jul 2015 #6

Why... You're not suggesting some sort of pattern, are you? onehandle Jul 2015 #7

Sounds like a glitch you should report that so the admins. That would be an interesting Autumn Jul 2015 #11

Really, a glitch? Andy823 Jul 2015 #93

Did "name remove" rec that OP 100 times? Autumn Jul 2015 #97

The point is Andy823 Jul 2015 #100

The point is, I responded to a post that said no such thing as you are saying. Autumn Jul 2015 #103

No problem Andy823 Jul 2015 #111

Then why don't you come out and say what you are talking about instead of alluding to some Autumn Jul 2015 #115

No... "name removed" is reserved for trolls kdmorris Jul 2015 #117

Good point. Andy823 Jul 2015 #91

That OP was about more than just the first paragraph dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #162

Where is this OP? progressoid Jul 2015 #131

Here DanTex Jul 2015 #132

Ah, yeah I didn't read past the first paragraph of that one. n/t progressoid Jul 2015 #135

Me either there was a whole lotta drama. Agschmid Jul 2015 #143

I will definitely vote for our Democratic nominee Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #8

I live in California. My vote doesn't count for much. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #38

First of all, I get shorted because my state only has two senators AlbertCat Jul 2015 #68

Actually AlbertCat, the two-senator form has been getting quite a bit of criticism lately. senz Jul 2015 #116

California's voters per senator is way out of proportion with the JDPriestly Jul 2015 #157

I am a US citizen. The system is very unfair to people who live JDPriestly Jul 2015 #156

You are absolutely right about this. I read once that the US Senate is the least democratic DanTex Jul 2015 #159

Thanks. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #163

Again, the Senate is not the House. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #165

But thanks to the urbanization of America and the concentration of Americans in large numbers in JDPriestly Jul 2015 #166

The electoral college AlbertCat Jul 2015 #168

Got it, "god help them" as in Dem party, so you dont support the party...makes sense randys1 Jul 2015 #78

Not in California or any other non-competitive state. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #101

If Hillary is the nominee and hasn't won by the time the California JDPriestly Jul 2015 #146

If you don't participate in the process (i.e., VOTE) you have little to complain about, regardless.. George II Jul 2015 #147

I will vote for Bernie in the primary. The general election in JDPriestly Jul 2015 #158

Some people have access to their parents bank account and just don't get it. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #9

Very few might be making those comments openly. However... DanTex Jul 2015 #14

Said individual is a one percenter or is in a family of one percenters. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #22

There is a lot of silver-spoonism in the purity-or-nothing crowd. DanTex Jul 2015 #24

One of the reasons that I so strongly support Bernie is that he JDPriestly Jul 2015 #41

There are plenty of good reasons to support Bernie (or Hillary) in the primary. DanTex Jul 2015 #43

I don't agree with you on that. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #53

You really think the GOP will be better on SS than Hillary? DanTex Jul 2015 #61

Indeed, DanTex. There are ZERO reasons to sit out the general election. calimary Jul 2015 #65

I take NOTHING for granted in politics. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #96

This. Agschmid Jul 2015 #145

I recommend this post ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #122

Well said calimary. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #140

There is a lot of silver-spoonism in the purity-or-nothing crowd. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #81

There's also a big dose of don't give a shit about anyone but myself. lark Jul 2015 #86

We cannot forget that there are a whole new class of millionaires over the last decade. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #77

1%ers are billionaires, not millionaires. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #79

Money still has little to do with it. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #83

Know them by their words. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #88

I can spot a silver spooner from a mile away. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #95

"Said individual is a one percenter or is in a family of one percenters." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #104

"I thought 1%ers voted for Hillary or Republicans. " NCTraveler Jul 2015 #106

That's really just an ugly cheap shot, with a lot of made up crap in it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #105

I have problems with her history and politics. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #108

There is a bigger national political dynamic going on here. earthside Jul 2015 #10

That effect is very small and won't impact the election. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #21

I would never say "comfortable", but passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #39

Thank you for that passiveporcupine! MoonRiver Jul 2015 #40

Not really. I'm a passivist, but I can be prickly at times. passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #42

I see! It's a very cute name! MoonRiver Jul 2015 #56

thanks, I like your name too passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #112

How are you not being given a meaningful choice? You have Bernie. Does it get any better? DanTex Jul 2015 #25

Exactly. DNC needs to quit treating us like thoughtless cattle MBplayer Jul 2015 #27

Nobody I know is voting for Hillary out of duty and obligation. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #36

Sorry to bust your fantasy bubble ... earthside Jul 2015 #44

Then how are 92% of Dems recently polled just fine with voting for her? MoonRiver Jul 2015 #55

The "political baggage" you listed is 99.9% composed of RW lies. Why would you.... Hekate Jul 2015 #99

Really? earthside Jul 2015 #107

No one in politics is "as clean as a hound's tooth," but you've obviously chosen to believe... Hekate Jul 2015 #133

Speaking of Bernie's bubble too.... Sancho Jul 2015 #130

How are the TeaPubliKlans going to attack Sanders for the F35, the NRA, or for being a "gun nut"? TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #169

Did you cut and paste your list from FOX or Drudge? Very telling! redstateblues Jul 2015 #151

Just the things I remember about Hillary. earthside Jul 2015 #154

Hmm... MBplayer Jul 2015 #49

I'm ok with agreeing to disagree. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #54

The situation is changing rapidly, MoonRiver. senz Jul 2015 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 Jul 2015 #90

Obama, recently, has done some very liberal things that have JDPriestly Jul 2015 #46

There will be no one to "blame" except for those who must sit the next one out. calimary Jul 2015 #69

you beat me to it.. I was just going to op on this Peacetrain Jul 2015 #12

I don't doubt the veracity of your OP title ibegurpard Jul 2015 #13

Well, I'm a liberal Dem, I like Bernie a lot. But you're right, there's no doubt he's gonna have a DanTex Jul 2015 #16

Oh he's reaching independents all right ibegurpard Jul 2015 #19

We'll see. Glad we can count on your support in the GE regardless of who gets the nomination! DanTex Jul 2015 #20

There is no 'center' in American politics AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #74

I think you will see a lot more posts artislife Jul 2015 #15

That is such a cool gif, artislife. senz Jul 2015 #119

You can find it in the Bernie forum under Logos! nt artislife Jul 2015 #121

Cause.....third way! MoonRiver Jul 2015 #17

Name Removed hasn't been with us for a while. madfloridian Jul 2015 #28

Oh I would vote for him, and when called on to do so would argue in his favor. stevenleser Jul 2015 #29

You'd like that wouldn't you? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #31

Nope, that's why I'm backing a candidate that can actually win. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #32

Never mind that he out-raised every republican in terms of individual donations arcane1 Jul 2015 #66

And there is more Bernie spin. That doesnt matter if other folks are raising 100 times what he is stevenleser Jul 2015 #71

No spin, just fact. arcane1 Jul 2015 #76

Right now the GOP pot of donations is being split in almost 2 dozen pieces. Come the GE... Hekate Jul 2015 #102

And the Kochs will throw another billion on top of that arcane1 Jul 2015 #118

Santorum is probably about the only one Bernie could beat LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #136

Nope, They can't even out fundraise him on their own. arcane1 Jul 2015 #138

They really don't need to out fundraise him on their own LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #139

PACs don't vote, people do. arcane1 Jul 2015 #141

Good luck with that LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #142

Thanks! arcane1 Jul 2015 #144

I was a Hillary Clinton supporter when she ran against Obama.... BooScout Jul 2015 #30

Me too. Since 1960, I have always voted for the most progressive NCjack Jul 2015 #84

Well Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #33

You are exactly correct DanTex... Sancho Jul 2015 #35

Well said. Laser102 Jul 2015 #48

Good to know. Our union position is the opposite here in Chicago, I don't know about Illinois. ancianita Jul 2015 #63

Here, we just fought a big battle to keep guns out of schools, and also have a state retirement plan. Sancho Jul 2015 #123

I hear you. Thanks... ancianita Jul 2015 #126

Well said DanTex... 40RatRod Jul 2015 #37

I will always vote for the democrat. Laser102 Jul 2015 #45

Theres a lot more in that post than the one sentence your focusing on, Dan. bunnies Jul 2015 #47

That was the bolded part. If someone says something so monumentally stupid DanTex Jul 2015 #58

Where did it say anywhere that the OP wanted a GOP victory? bunnies Jul 2015 #67

Not voting for a Dem is facilitating a GOP victory. DanTex Jul 2015 #70

I guess some just chose to get off the train altogether. bunnies Jul 2015 #87

Howard. My favorite. BTW, many of those recs are for support of this discussion, not the OP. ancianita Jul 2015 #137

I vote in every election, so I won't "refuse" to vote in the General if Hillary is nominated. Maedhros Jul 2015 #50

I'll vote for Bernie if he wins the primary, but I'm under no illusions: Paladin Jul 2015 #51

If Hillary . . . Gamecock Lefty Jul 2015 #52

It isn't about trolling. haikugal Jul 2015 #57

So Andy823 Jul 2015 #109

Who said they'll win? haikugal Jul 2015 #120

well yeah if you say so PatrynXX Jul 2015 #60

I'm waiting to see why I should vote for Hillary other than the reason that the other side is worse. jalan48 Jul 2015 #62

I don't understand that way of thinking bekkilyn Jul 2015 #64

Another day AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #72

i will write in bernie restorefreedom Jul 2015 #73

Yes, I don't understand. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #75

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #148

You had me going for a few seconds. lark Jul 2015 #80

right, 'cause then the real warmongers would get in MisterP Jul 2015 #82

As others have said here, and as I have consistently said, BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #85

The Write In Ballot Still Works In Many States cantbeserious Jul 2015 #89

This also illustrates why we need someone other than HRC Android3.14 Jul 2015 #92

Glad you're (probably) on board with helping your country. DanTex Jul 2015 #94

This isn't about Bernie Android3.14 Jul 2015 #98

Defensive, LOL. Cmon, that stuff is beneath you. DanTex Jul 2015 #113

That is absurd Cosmocat Jul 2015 #127

A shame she didn't lose her 2000 election Reter Jul 2015 #110

So, who did you vote for when you were voting against her? boston bean Jul 2015 #124

Wow. senz Jul 2015 #125

So you voted for Rick Lazio? onehandle Jul 2015 #134

I'll vote for the nominee and work for the nominee canvassing The Second Stone Jul 2015 #128

Totally agree, so many people are acting like this is the BSU or the HCU when its DU. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #149

I've always viewed it as fair warning. Chan790 Jul 2015 #150

The good thing is this removes any doubt as to whether factions of the far left are actually DanTex Jul 2015 #152

I've said it for some time. Chan790 Jul 2015 #155

Imo, it is HRC supporters after the pony PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #164

A GOP appointed SCOTUS will mean decades of misery for the 99 percent. You get it. oasis Jul 2015 #153

I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what Gothmog Jul 2015 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jul 2015 #167