2016 Postmortem

SusanCalvin

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73. Oh, I certainly do.

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:24 PM

Jul 2015

Who it wasn't sold to was the people, the court of public opinion, who could at least have attempted to push the legislators. And the idea would at least have gotten some publicity.

So nothing might have come of it - something might have. To go with what I think was the theme of this OP, I don't think many people expected what is happening with Bernie. And at least it wouldn't have been written off from the very beginning, and the representatives of that viewpoint, IIRC, completely shut out.

My impression has always been that he starts his negotiations at the point where he thinks they are going to end. I haven't negotiated much, but that's not the idea as I understand it.

Anyhow, thanks for the conversation. I think I've said everything I had to say, probably too many times....!

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Oh Boy... Another Sanders Hit Piece By The New York Times... They Are Worried... [View all] WillyT Jul 2015 OP

All 'Pragmatism' got us with Obama was AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #1

And the ACA and the recent Iran nuclear deal and a triple growth in green energy growth ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #2

I don't recall any of those being "Deals with the GOP"? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #8

Wait ... wasn't it you that said all we got was ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #11

Well, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #14

Well sheshe2 Jul 2015 #17

Good point on the vote, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #25

Oops, oops! I just realized I meant "public option," SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #34

The Public Option did not the votes, either. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #38

Yeah, I just wish SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #59

The time for the bully pulpit had passed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #60

Yes, exactly. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #61

Yes. It was written on his watch ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #62

Right. And to my recollection it didn't, at least with regard to the public option. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #63

You don't think the PO was run up the flagpole with Democratic legislators? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #64

Oh, I certainly do. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #73

What a shameful thing that Democrats failed the people so badly. No wonder sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #68

Snort! sheshe2 Jul 2015 #69

A very in depth response. I completely understand! sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #70

As was yours~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #71

I never have a problem stating, in depth if necessary, what I think. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #72

I thought MAYBE that could be the case, until I saw how hard he is fighting and arm twisting for TPP GoneFishin Jul 2015 #43

Ain't that the simple truth. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #75

I agree that went poorly kenfrequed Jul 2015 #58

Absolutely right, and appreciated, but SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #10

FIXED, Brah DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #40

I was on my phone and ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #41

Barack Obama has been a transformational and consequential president DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #42

Yes he has ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #44

Brah, I was able to do it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #46

Well ...You know what they say about big hands ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #47

My mom met the GOAT in 1986. She said he was so handsome and my mom met Harry Belafonte at the Copa. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #48

I'll laugh my ass off when that happens. And it will. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #52

Wish I could rec comments wicket Jul 2015 #51

I supported Single Payer, Obama, in the campaign, opposed Mandated Ins. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #66

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #67

When I read articles like that, all I get is.... daleanime Jul 2015 #3

Nope... WillyT Jul 2015 #5

So who is "worried" when HRC or MO pieces show up. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #4

I Think Were At Stage 3 Now... WillyT Jul 2015 #6

Did that answer my question? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #7

I Don't Know What A MO is... WillyT Jul 2015 #9

Martin O'malley Segami Jul 2015 #13

Oh... I Thought It Was Modus Operandi... WillyT Jul 2015 #15

YUM! Segami Jul 2015 #12

Bingo! peacebird Jul 2015 #37

Was thinking the very same thing. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #22

Good point Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #26

Well, I'm firmly in the idealist camp. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #16

I'm enough of a pragmatist to realize we're nowhere near "the last few months of an election". winter is coming Jul 2015 #18

Is this the object of Bernie campaign? wow Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #29

No. Nor did I imply it. The article in the OP did. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #49

What does this mean: Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #50

It refers to the OP, which is regurgitating the bullshit meme that Sanders will run as a third winter is coming Jul 2015 #55

Yes, having a healthy primary with healthy debates is the correct way to do a primary. We have the Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #56

yup. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #57

What good will it do for people to win the whole world... Simeon Salus Jul 2015 #19

What's your issue with the title? Just curious. cyberswede Jul 2015 #20

I have two words for the New York Times: Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #21

^^That^^ onecaliberal Jul 2015 #76

I fail to see how this in any way shape or form can be classified as a "hit piece" mythology Jul 2015 #23

Could it be because the central theme of the entire piece Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #28

I'm not worried. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #24

Agreed. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #30

Laugh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #27

Well all I have to say is (borrowing from The Who): mmonk Jul 2015 #31

Some here are too madokie Jul 2015 #32

Hmm. So now letters to the editor from readers are a "hit piece". DanTex Jul 2015 #33

It's 481 days until the election. If Americans can't come up with a decent candidate in that.. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #35

Clearly the powers that be are afraid, like the Wizard of Oz they hide behibd a curtain pretending peacebird Jul 2015 #36

If hit pieces.... quickesst Jul 2015 #39

Screw worrying about what THEY say. Vote for who you believe will do the best job. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #45

Is that an attempt LWolf Jul 2015 #53

Pragmatism. How neoliberals say... 99Forever Jul 2015 #54

having a corporate boot licker as a president is not pragmatic Doctor_J Jul 2015 #65

Yeah! zappaman Jul 2015 #74