2016 Postmortem

freshwest

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149. BTW. Obama's 2012 DNC music by Tom Petty:

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Mon Jul 27, 2015, 06:42 PM

Jul 2015

Petty said he stopped the GOP from using his songs, but thrilled at seeing Obama walk onstage as his song played.

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Why is Hillary Clinton crushing Bernie Sanders among minority voters? [View all] gobears10 Jul 2015 OP

for most people it's still bernie who? outside the cloistered world of places like DU nt msongs Jul 2015 #1

Yeah, at this point in the race its just a name recognition issue. nt Nay Jul 2015 #47

Don't worry, they will marym625 Jul 2015 #2

For about the ten millionth time on this site, she "refused the invitation" because... George II Jul 2015 #62

Yeah, let's go with that. marym625 Jul 2015 #64

Actually that happens to be true. calimary Jul 2015 #89

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #154

Sanders voted the 1994 Crime Bill also JI7 Jul 2015 #3

I agree with you on civil rights work... gobears10 Jul 2015 #5

why don't you do that with white people ? JI7 Jul 2015 #6

sorry i misspoke... gobears10 Jul 2015 #8

Women who are voting for Hillary okasha Jul 2015 #75

AND because a lot of us have had to struggle calimary Jul 2015 #91

I hear you. okasha Jul 2015 #95

If you read black media views of TPP are much more nuanced. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #10

the black community and obama JI7 Jul 2015 #14

And they understand how hard it is for a black professional to navigate ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16

here's bernie speaking... gobears10 Jul 2015 #7

he needs to go to the communities themselves and ask for their vote JI7 Jul 2015 #9

I agree... gobears10 Jul 2015 #11

Well, it probably doesn't help much the way so many Sanders supporters so totally lost their shit scarletwoman Jul 2015 #4

cool story.. really.... dionysus Jul 2015 #12

To this day many of his supporters still insist they are/were right wing tools or HRC operatives/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #13

If you're talking about DU supporters - believe 840high Jul 2015 #18

Nope. This went on outside of DU, too. nt scarletwoman Jul 2015 #20

ok 840high Jul 2015 #22

? Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #70

I don't understand your confusion. 840high Jul 2015 #94

It's cool. I judge Clinton and her supporters by the PUMAS n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #77

Whatever. I'm not a Clinton supporter. nt scarletwoman Jul 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Jul 2015 #83

If Hillary has a 30% to 50% lead among Democrats LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #15

Too early kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #17

Thank you. Good post. 840high Jul 2015 #19

There is no structural reason DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #21

True kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #24

no, they already liked Obama but were not sure he could win nationally JI7 Jul 2015 #26

From 2007 kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #30

Precisely, African Americans broke for Gore 8 and 9-1 over Bill Bradley DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #28

Apparently, 82% of POC don't share your point of view. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #23

Senator Sanders' supporters like to say every trend is linear. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #25

Read the polls completely kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #27

He would have to overcome a 76 point lead. Not likely, nor realistic. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #32

Again kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #37

According to the PPP poll sixty percent of African Americans are aware of him... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #33

If true kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #35

very high unfavorables! 6chars Jul 2015 #41

It's a very small subsample DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #51

Hope so 6chars Jul 2015 #63

That's a good point. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #98

There's an AA poster here on DU who hates Sanders lunamagica Jul 2015 #136

Because. bravenak Jul 2015 #29

+1000 sheshe2 Jul 2015 #43

+1!!!!!!!!!! nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #50

Like he did last night at the SPLC meeting? London Lover Man Jul 2015 #71

SCLC juxtaposed Jul 2015 #103

SPLC?!? -don't forget the 1.5K a plate Jefferson/ Jackson dinner he attended! bettyellen Jul 2015 #106

Oh you. lol Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #116

Some take umbrage at 'humbling oneself' but that's what 'Namaste' is. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #109

Everyone should try humble. Even I have to do it sometimes!nt bravenak Jul 2015 #110

1) She's crushing among ALL voters, not just minorities. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #31

Yep. bravenak Jul 2015 #34

#7! I don't trust anyone who held the nation back like that. I'm not forgetting it. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #65

Correct, freshwest.... sheshe2 Jul 2015 #105

BTW. Obama's 2012 DNC music by Tom Petty: freshwest Jul 2015 #149

Neither am I. calimary Jul 2015 #150

bravenak said it right there... freshwest Jul 2015 #151

I just discussed the hatred of Dems thing with a couple of friends here- bettyellen Jul 2015 #107

God, I would have loved to be a roach in the rushes for that conversation!!! bravenak Jul 2015 #108

When we socialize he will go on a long rant and I just exuse myself.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #112

I don't hate Obama, I still have his HOPE poster on my wall artislife Jul 2015 #115

I made the point here before that Sanders and Sander supporters SOUND like they despise Obama... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #140

Please stop seeing us as one lockstep group artislife Jul 2015 #146

I agree rhetoric is important... gobears10 Jul 2015 #36

Yes that is disappointing but that is life so we can get used to it. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #38

I don't hate Obama. I voted for him, knowing the end result would be right-of-center government London Lover Man Jul 2015 #73

I suggest looking at rhetoric from a different angle. I think it's extremely important. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #39

It isn't just rhetoric BainsBane Jul 2015 #42

Brilliantly put! BooScout Jul 2015 #46

And she hits it out of the ballpark.. ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #55

Perfect and concise analysis. okasha Jul 2015 #81

Really great points, BainsBane! calimary Jul 2015 #92

I had this conversation with friends last night. It was explained to me that Bernie has always bettyellen Jul 2015 #121

Bravo!!! lunamagica Jul 2015 #137

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #139

I actually think it's MORE than rhetoric... Adrahil Jul 2015 #142

Very good post. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #40

Interesting comment here.... George II Jul 2015 #66

Go back and read your own post objectively. okasha Jul 2015 #79

If you really want to know, check out BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #44

I mean this with all due respect. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #45

Better the devil you know? Hillary talks the talk, Bernie walks the walk. But you're right... marble falls Jul 2015 #49

Re:TPP DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #54

No matter what: we will be voting for the same ticket in 2016. I think you make a good .... marble falls Jul 2015 #57

Are they happy about making favored trading nations out of bigoted dictatorships? Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #69

F any nation that disrespects glbtq folks. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #84

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #125

He told the president of Kenya that the glbtq struggle for civil rights... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #132

And that is the problem... Armstead Jul 2015 #85

THANK YOU!!! Doing the same thing Gore did in 2000 to Obama will alienate more blacks than... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #123

I met and like Al Gore... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #128

I would suggest you are seeing black politics through a upper middle class white lens. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #56

Well, I am not upper middle class, barely lower middle class, and I understand that.... marble falls Jul 2015 #59

Hell ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #99

Somehow thats got to be changed. marble falls Jul 2015 #113

How did Bernie ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #100

Good question. I know where I think he stood. I've looked quickly but can't find anything..... marble falls Jul 2015 #114

Bernie voted in FAVOR of both the Omnibus Crime Bill and it's successor. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #118

Here's what I found: marble falls Jul 2015 #119

On the same issues, Hillary Clinton's record: marble falls Jul 2015 #120

wow, come on... the devil "you know" has been listening uponit7771 Jul 2015 #122

Listens To The Poor - Yet A Patron Of Wall Street - Duplicity Of The Highest Order cantbeserious Jul 2015 #58

It seems a bit of a disconnect to me. marble falls Jul 2015 #60

No he has been doing what lgislators are SUPPOSED to do Armstead Jul 2015 #86

I have made that point over and over again. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #117

Unlike the OP I am not saying Clinton (or eitehr of the C's) have not done anything... Armstead Jul 2015 #124

Wouldn't argue against one word you have written here. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #126

I predicted this...and there are reasons for the answer if you look... Sancho Jul 2015 #48

Fabulous points, Sancho! calimary Jul 2015 #87

+ 1 to Sancho and you. Great points! lunamagica Jul 2015 #141

Hillary's greatest asset is rarely mentioned...she works at all levels with everyone. Sancho Jul 2015 #143

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #138

Name recognition for now, but I don't expect it to change dramatically BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #52

Perhaps it's much more simple. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #61

What's definitely true BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #68

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #127

Perhaps minorities are in the 1% HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #53

Or maybe someone who hasn't bothered to establish a relationship with the communities of color uponit7771 Jul 2015 #134

They're friends. lovemydog Jul 2015 #67

Dayum! calimary Jul 2015 #93

Thanks my friend. lovemydog Jul 2015 #96

I am indeed. Doing much the same thing as you are, but without the yard work! calimary Jul 2015 #111

So, blaming Obama for the rise of ISIS was all in good fun? AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #101

Criticism doesn't' mean repudiation uponit7771 Jul 2015 #130

. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #102

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #129

Hillary Clinton definitely benefits from her association with Obama. MineralMan Jul 2015 #72

My take on her support from the aa community SwampG8r Jul 2015 #74

Poor people on the right aren't the only ones voting against themselves. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #76

Why do you believe POC don't know where their interests lie? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #90

This is condescending at best, people on the right are ignorant of policies blacks aren't uponit7771 Jul 2015 #131

If they know her so well they know she doesn't onecaliberal Jul 2015 #133

What's black folk best interest? Hillary has a relationship with Obama and communities of color... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #135

Over policing and locking them all up damn sure onecaliberal Jul 2015 #144

I don't understand the disdain for Third Way when this think tank are Democrats and standing for Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #78

I object to the word pander artislife Jul 2015 #88

I think many haven't heard of Bernie. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #80

Note that there's also a link that has the text of the speech on here, but I couldn't find it... kenn3d Jul 2015 #147

Because Hillary Clinton has vowed to defend and expand on Barack Obama's achievements. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #97

I am quite sure Trajan Jul 2015 #104

Because people of color are simply better informed voters Freddie Stubbs Jul 2015 #145

Sometimes rhetoric and familiarity trumps policy and history. EndElectoral Jul 2015 #148

Old White man rhetoric? MichMan Jul 2015 #152

Voters for the most part don't vote based on policy Recursion Jul 2015 #153